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Awsi Dooger

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261. Bernie Sanders is not electable in this country

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:55 PM

Mar 2019

That opinion has nothing to do with my support of Beto. I did not follow the 2016 primary at all for two reasons: I thought Hillary was a cinch to get the nomination, and I thought a self-avowed socialist was a cinch to be ruthlessly picked apart toward defeat if he somehow managed the nomination.

It would be worse than any projection. So much fear out there. So many old videos. The turnout and passion argument is garbage. We were shoveled the same thing regarding Andrew Gillum here in Florida. Gillum wasn't anywhere close to as vulnerable as Sanders on ideology yet still had 46% of the Florida electorate saying Gillum was too liberal for the state. Translate that to a presidential race and we'll lose states we thought were a cinch.

Elections are won on preference, not turnout. Bernie Sanders would cost us too much in raw preference.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I believe that Sanders is not electable. You can argue, but this is true [View all] Stuart G Mar 2019 OP

If Sanders is the nominee I will unite behind him 100%. mobeau69 Mar 2019 #1

:) No worry we'd have to gird our loins for that. Hortensis Mar 2019 #72

don't be so sure - it's our nightmare scenario.... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #114

I never vote in a primary with my heart. I have always voted for the primary candidate Autumn Mar 2019 #125

not fear... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #127

I always vote wisely. I vote for the Democratic candidate in the primary who best Autumn Mar 2019 #129

Me too. And then I enthusiastically get behind the eventual nominee emulatorloo Mar 2019 #186

:) Mine either, but they all share my principles Hortensis Mar 2019 #201

Yes that's what we do. The end game is to put the Democrat in office. Autumn Mar 2019 #207

Yes debates are key for me as well emulatorloo Mar 2019 #208

Same to you. Autumn Mar 2019 #212

I'm a head-over-heart kind of gal. ALWAYS. calimary Mar 2019 #221

one question that comes to mind G_j Mar 2019 #236

You have a right to express your opinion but Your stats on how Sanders supporters voted are bizarre. hedda_foil Mar 2019 #131

... lapucelle Mar 2019 #154

... lapucelle Mar 2019 #155

Thank you. I stand corrected. hedda_foil Mar 2019 #161

NP lapucelle Mar 2019 #215

Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016. Cha Mar 2019 #172

Jill Stein wasn't the only one who tried to convince voters that Trump and HRC were both "evil". N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #219

Yep. calimary Mar 2019 #224

That's right.. she Cha Mar 2019 #234

BOOM! calimary Mar 2019 #223

Misogyny pure and simple Dream Girl May 2019 #302

Those were the republicans Bernie won over that went back to the repub candidate onit2day Mar 2019 #192

Do you have a link with stats showing that BS to Trump voters were mostly Republicans? lapucelle Mar 2019 #214

That is pure speculation. Bernie has nothing to do with Stein and worked hard to get dems elected onit2day Mar 2019 #187

talk about revisionist history.. getagrip_already Mar 2019 #237

Too bad what it "sounds like" to you.. BS is .. Cha Mar 2019 #250

BS hired 3 stein voters for Cha May 2019 #299

I don't think winning the primary BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #240

Guess that's why he leads in all the polls, why polls showed him beating Trump onit2day Mar 2019 #177

You are relying on polls in a hypothetical matchup TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #200

Hypothetical matchups n/t BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #241

NO he Does NOT. Cha Mar 2019 #251

THIS!!!! +1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #280

With less than 30% support in the party, sanders is not electable Gothmog Apr 2019 #282

True story musicman65 May 2019 #290

sanders is polling far below 30%now Gothmog May 2019 #291

So what you're saying is Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #2

I know right? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #3

I will support the nominee of the party Gothmog Mar 2019 #9

Yes, unlike much of Sanders' top campaign staffers, we'll vote for the DEMOCRATIC nominee. George II Mar 2019 #90

And. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #12

The terms of service for DU members state that they can be banned if they discourage other members TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #24

Exactly this LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #77

Because E. Warren would be vice president and Bernie believes He is best candidate& wants the job onit2day Mar 2019 #191

It's far more likely that a Sanders/Warren would be a disaster. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #199

Doesn't that appear to be the primary goal BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #242

For the same reason people want Joe Biden. We like the policies!!! vsrazdem Mar 2019 #252

So if Sanders loses Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #274

How can sanders win key primaries with no support from African American voters? Gothmog Mar 2019 #8

He can't. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #13

Of course he can FBaggins Mar 2019 #61

He did in 2016 onit2day Mar 2019 #193

Which states are those? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #202

I'd love an expansion on this. Socal31 Mar 2019 #15

Good questions. LuvNewcastle Mar 2019 #132

I wouldn't say no support JonLP24 Mar 2019 #31

Higher than Kamala Harris and Corey Booker? I don't think so. yardwork Mar 2019 #60

Yes higher than Kamala Harris or Booker JonLP24 Mar 2019 #63

The Intercept?! Get that Russian propaganda off DU. yardwork Mar 2019 #113

They quote an actual poll JonLP24 Mar 2019 #122

Linking to the Intercept is an automatic loss of credibility. yardwork Mar 2019 #136

That is funny because Rachel Maddow used the Intercept whenever they break stories JonLP24 Mar 2019 #197

So on that poll, namahage Mar 2019 #143

Don't worry. They do this with every poll that shows Bernie up. vsrazdem Mar 2019 #255

LOL. If he had been anointed last time, he would be president vsrazdem Mar 2019 #253

Where were the African American voters at the recent event in South Carolina? Gothmog Mar 2019 #140

I watched it live JonLP24 Mar 2019 #198

Less than 4% of crowd was African American Gothmog Mar 2019 #209

I'm not sure I trust Washington Post which has a strong anti progressive bias JonLP24 Mar 2019 #211

I like living in the real world and I have a subscription to the Washington Post Gothmog Mar 2019 #213

I live in the real world too and the Washington Post bias is obvious JonLP24 Mar 2019 #220

Where are the non whites at this rally? Gothmog Mar 2019 #222

I'm not into counting people in a crowd JonLP24 Mar 2019 #229

I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention Gothmog Mar 2019 #232

I didn't know you were a at the National Convention as a delegate. Stuart G Apr 2019 #269

This was not a fun experience Gothmog Apr 2019 #271

Huh? Thekaspervote May 2019 #303

Short answer GWC58 Mar 2019 #45

He's hired nina and briebrie to run cover for him and cornell to Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #62

That's nonsense. He has a great deal of support from A-A voters. He won key primaries last time onit2day Mar 2019 #179

No, sanders got little support from this demographic in the real world Gothmog Mar 2019 #182

Where were these supporters at an event at an African American church??? Gothmog Mar 2019 #246

No. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #10

Funny how his staff couldn't vote for the Democrat, but expect unity now... Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #64

+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #71

+++ sheshe2 Mar 2019 #126

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #128

Seriously! Somebody should tell Bernie, who's leading all fellow Democratic candidates who've InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #11

Where in the world did you get that metric? fleabiscuit Mar 2019 #30

Could've sworn I said all fellow Democrats who've declared they're running in 2020... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #97

Interesting that a guy who hasn't even announced yet is in first place, by a LOT. George II Mar 2019 #99

Joes waiting until april to get in so he doesn't have to show .. aidbo Mar 2019 #119

He will not win the nomination. He'll probably be in the lower tier of candidates delegate-wise... George II Mar 2019 #91

Maybe we should wait to find out! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #98

We don't need another center right corporate dem with years of baggage that's for sure onit2day Mar 2019 #194

Why not at least nominate a progressive Democrat this time who is more representative of what InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #206

No. But we need more than regular voters coming out to vote. We need passionate, all out, support -- pnwmom Mar 2019 #35

He is saying... bobGandolf Mar 2019 #40

It is possible to support a candidate and work hard for them... brooklynite Mar 2019 #55

I agree that it is pretty basic common knowledge. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #56

Why is that funny? yardwork Mar 2019 #57

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #81

No, he's saying that moderate Republicans and Independents will never vote for a socialist LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #79

I don't think anyone said that at all. And you're talking about "making this shit up"? George II Mar 2019 #87

Will they receive a special dispensation because they don't like Bernie? Autumn Mar 2019 #111

No u can't Daisy...these endless Bernie bashin threads are gettin repetitive & frankly a lil boring. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #152

They bash every post a Bernie supporter puts up and when there aren't any, vsrazdem Mar 2019 #254

Beyond desperate... and mostly just sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #256

What he's saying.. and it's Cha May 2019 #313

For all candidates we need to think how they can handle the republican attack machine. California_Republic Mar 2019 #4

Mayor Pete has a LOT working for him to offset the attack machine for being gay mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #18

"I have a decent amount of faith he can handle the attack machine ... True Dough Mar 2019 #46

All good points N/T bobGandolf Mar 2019 #41

They'll go right past the socialist label Mr.Bill Mar 2019 #158

I agree-- he seems to be the "Trump of the Left" preferring fighting to governing... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #5

I agree, Stuart! Just look at the history. Cha Mar 2019 #6

I also believe that sanders is not electable Gothmog Mar 2019 #7

I know I won't forget GWC58 Mar 2019 #47

I believe Sen. Sanders is electable. You can argue, but this is true Devil Child Mar 2019 #14

Thank you. shanny Mar 2019 #116

It is a bit much and over the top IMO shanny Devil Child Mar 2019 #145

As it stands currently, Biden is the most electable in the GE Socal31 Mar 2019 #16

I don't understand why people think Biden is electable JonLP24 Mar 2019 #29

The numbers suggest otherwise. Socal31 Mar 2019 #32

This is where I based my comment off of JonLP24 Mar 2019 #33

Data is more credible are this juncture than op-eds. Socal31 Mar 2019 #36

The OP is saying Sanders is not electable and not providing any data JonLP24 Mar 2019 #37

Socialism is the biggest gaffe out there. R B Garr Mar 2019 #65

Most people polled equate "socialism" with equality JonLP24 Mar 2019 #69

Democratic Socialism DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #108

Actually, most people equate socialism with government control. R B Garr Mar 2019 #109

Most people according to the poll said equality JonLP24 Mar 2019 #244

A poll, one, doesn't change the government R B Garr Mar 2019 #247

I'm sure that when the Republicans were calling Obama a "socialist," namahage Mar 2019 #243

Me too. shanny Mar 2019 #117

But Bernie isn't the past? TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #203

Bernie has an "Established in 1990" plaque on his office door. betsuni Mar 2019 #204

On DU he is not treestar May 2019 #294

I already went through the "electable" arguments last time JonLP24 May 2019 #296

I also think that Joe Biden is the most electable candidate Gothmog Mar 2019 #141

I agree.....100%! chillfactor Mar 2019 #17

And he thinks the reason Trump won was because Dems ignored the working class. betsuni Mar 2019 #19

Yes, he's dead set on that.. Cha Mar 2019 #21

Keeping a straight face here. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #25

That's because Bernie has a yuuuuuge ego. yardwork Mar 2019 #59

In a nutshell, yep. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #82

I always liked Bernie but you say you know best. rusty quoin Mar 2019 #20

i hear various... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #22

I agree with you, but not for the same reasons. RDANGELO Mar 2019 #23

I still haven't figured out which candidate I like most Jarqui Mar 2019 #26

I don't know why this point is always overlooked: shanny Mar 2019 #118

"there is a large and virulent anti-Bernie faction here and I worry about PUMAs." Jarqui Mar 2019 #121

Makes sense. shanny Mar 2019 #134

There are a couple that are very unlikely for me Jarqui Mar 2019 #135

Why does this no infighting privilege other candidates? JonLP24 Mar 2019 #27

Time will tell, however any candidate not releasing their tax returns OnDoutside Mar 2019 #28

Only two Democratic candidates have released them Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #150

Out of how many who have actually declared? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #257

agree! Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #34

The question for me is vlyons Mar 2019 #38

Yes some assholes will Freddie Mar 2019 #43

Or vote for Jill LIES stein like Cha Mar 2019 #49

Like BS's campaign co-chair, and his speechwriter, and his press secretary, and . . . LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #86

Yeah, like those suckers who encouraged Cha Mar 2019 #89

Since most Sanders supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 I think they will again. We know the Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #73

Did you vote for her? lunamagica Apr 2019 #283

Of course. Dont know anyone of my Bernie supporter friends who didn't. But we are all Nanjeanne Apr 2019 #284

Almost certainly, because they will double down on the "he got robbed" canard LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #84

If you look at some of his top staffers, they won't stay home but they won't vote for the Democrat. George II Mar 2019 #102

My word, never thought I'd see this OP. bobGandolf Mar 2019 #39

Thank you for this Freddie Mar 2019 #42

2016 changed things KayF Mar 2019 #44

You bet 2016 changed things. It's called Cha Mar 2019 #48

The "safe candidate lost", because some self-identified progressives refused to vote for the still_one Mar 2019 #66

Exactly LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #170

She had 3 opposition campaigns working against her. R B Garr Mar 2019 #67

+1. Opponents supercharged by Russian analytics and disinformation dalton99a Mar 2019 #88

Trump/Stein/Sanders/Putin/USM$M******! Cha Mar 2019 #93

Yes, indeed - Fox News and CNN being the most prominent 24/7 megaphones dalton99a Mar 2019 #95

& Andrea Mitchell.. But her emails. Cha Mar 2019 #96

And, as well as those you mentioned Cha Mar 2019 #92

And I believe that Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #50

who thought trump was electable? pick your favorite candidate and Kurt V. Mar 2019 #51

A lot of people thought Trump was electable; that's why we tried to warn Sanders supporters LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #80

Agreed. The past will be the same as the future. democratisphere Mar 2019 #52

+Millions! Cha Mar 2019 #53

If Bernie got the nomination, I have no doubt he'll go toe to toe with Trump. Kanoko Mar 2019 #54

BS is too Divisive.. he's made it clear Cha Mar 2019 #68

He has hired senior staff who are hostile to the Democratic party. ehrnst Mar 2019 #70

+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #101

Bernie believes if he isn't the democratic nominee njhoneybadger Mar 2019 #58

Exactly. It's why he says in his rally speeches that he will support the Dem nominee and Nanjeanne Mar 2019 #76

A lot of similarities for sure. -NT. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #83

+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #124

The single most important idea that we have in this forum in this group of people: honesty. Stuart G Mar 2019 #74

Bernie was never vetted in the 2016 primary campaign. kstewart33 Mar 2019 #105

Unelectable AND damaging the chances for the rest imo. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #75

Yes, and there is proof..if you accept it. Stuart G Mar 2019 #85

Amen! Cha Mar 2019 #94

Great post. dalton99a Mar 2019 #104

Sanders is having no friction with the other candidates Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #151

Google" David Sirota" "journalistic ethics" "political operative." ehrnst Mar 2019 #230

Sanders is wasting people's time and energy. And they will be angry when he goes nowhere. Again. PubliusEnigma Mar 2019 #78

Of course he's not electable. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #100

A guy that ran an extension cord to his basement apartment because he couldn't pay his bills LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #103

Anybody that reads my posts knows I am one of the most sanguine posters on our chances. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #106

The abomination has the entire GOP apparatus behind him dalton99a Mar 2019 #107

The data suggests Trump is an underdog and I believe he is. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #112

The idiot is no Superman. But we need a strong turnout driven by a strong ticket. dalton99a Mar 2019 #115

Exactly. You want to get people to vote for him again? Nominate a socialist carreer politician LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #123

Counterpoint: you're wrong. aidbo Mar 2019 #110

OK, I won't argue that you believe Bernie is not electable BobMcWan Mar 2019 #120

Thanks for this reply, Bob. RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #133

How exactly will any president achieve Medicare for all? yardwork Mar 2019 #138

I will vote for our parties nominee no matter who. Stuart G Mar 2019 #139

I'm in Florida radical noodle Mar 2019 #196

If it's a referendum election Trump is likely done. If he can make it a choice he isn't. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #130

Thank goodness we have you to tell us what is true. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #137

Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left Gothmog Mar 2019 #142

So do you "believe," or is it "true"? Which is it? MadDAsHell Mar 2019 #144

If you say so. dogman Mar 2019 #146

I agree with the OP, to a point, as a Sanders supporter in 2016 BlueWI Mar 2019 #147

I agree. we can do it Mar 2019 #148

Last point - I want to lift up the name of George McGovern. BlueWI Mar 2019 #149

We need a candidate who is a loyal Democrat, who is a member of the Doodley Mar 2019 #153

"believe" being the key word. we have religious freedom, thank God. pdsimdars Mar 2019 #156

I am voting Democrat in November. Male of this what you will robbedvoter Mar 2019 #157

Interesting Freudian slip LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #168

I think that Sanders would take a coast to coast beating... MarianJack Mar 2019 #159

So do I. And then we are truly screwed. We can nominate someone who Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #189

Good Analysis Mjolnir1956 Mar 2019 #160

e: "We need to be totally united to beat them" thesquanderer Mar 2019 #162

Agree with you about Sanders zentrum Mar 2019 #163

It's definitely true that you believe that. No argument there. Gore1FL Mar 2019 #164

You admit that you believe Sanders isn't electable. man4allcats Mar 2019 #165

The OP is right.. BS is too Divisive. Cha Mar 2019 #169

Why not let the OP speak for her/himself? man4allcats Mar 2019 #174

The OP has spoken for hmself.. didn't you Cha Mar 2019 #175

So you admit that you and the OP have nothing more than opinion. man4allcats Mar 2019 #178

BS is too Divisive.. our Dems are more Cha Mar 2019 #181

I appreciate the match-up info. man4allcats Mar 2019 #185

And who is? quakerboy Mar 2019 #166

If BS is the answer ... it must be a terrible question n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #167

Infight? RadicalProgressive Mar 2019 #171

Um. No. OhZone Mar 2019 #173

Exactly, OhZone! Aravois and Krugman weigh in on that, too.. Cha Mar 2019 #180

NO. BS is too divisive by his own Cha Mar 2019 #176

Last time around, BS supporters tried to blame things on Secretary Clinton SFnomad Mar 2019 #195

Messina Says Sanders Can't Beat Trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #273

Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #286

Maybe you are right or maybe you are wrong but regardless if Sanders should win the nomination cstanleytech Mar 2019 #183

You haven't learned yet what a corporate centrist with years of baggage does for the race? onit2day Mar 2019 #184

A Warren Sanders ticket will lose badly in the rustbelt states we must win. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #190

NO seta1950 Mar 2019 #188

It's way too soon to be having this discussion. Let the process flow first. YOHABLO Mar 2019 #205

Sanders will never be the nominee for two reasons madville Mar 2019 #210

I have removed some language from the original post. Sorry if I offended anyone Stuart G Mar 2019 #216

Didnt see the original post. For me this is simple, I will ONLY vote for a Democrat. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #227

Shocking, another anti-Bernie post. nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #217

I stated an opinion in the original post. Stuart G Mar 2019 #218

I expect this to be the case for supporters of almost every candidate LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #228

Time for Ideas Not a Horserace: Campaign? McKim Mar 2019 #225

I agree customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #226

I agree, and for one primary reason: MineralMan Mar 2019 #231

Complete agreement, on all points LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #233

If he's nominated don't continue infighting. Aaron Pereira Mar 2019 #235

If he is nominated, I will zealously promote him to the very best of my ability. Period. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #238

If he is nominated, I will support him as best I can. With money and work. We must win Stuart G Apr 2019 #265

What "institutional support within the Party" that "went to Nixon" are you talking about? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #239

I don't know about "1972" but funny he didn't bring up 2016.. Cha Mar 2019 #249

You mean like the "mistake" they made Cha Mar 2019 #248

Never heard of Steven Leser before, glad to see him excited about Buttigieg Celerity Mar 2019 #258

The Democrats Trump Fears Most Gothmog Mar 2019 #245

If the economy is strong, trump can win Gothmog Mar 2019 #259

You are correct. He is not the answer. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #260

Bernie Sanders is not electable in this country Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #261

Unfortunately I think you are correct..Using Florida as an example is perfect. Stuart G Mar 2019 #263

I was all in on Sanders in 2016 Horse with no Name Mar 2019 #262

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #264

If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #266

According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #267

According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #268

So, I will say again..If Bernie is nominated, he already has divided the Democratic Party.!!! Stuart G Apr 2019 #270

According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #272

Why just call out Sanders? artislife Apr 2019 #275

The voters will decide this and they like him across party lines. BeckyDem Apr 2019 #276

This message was self-deleted by its author doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #277

He is unless moderates decide to sit out the election if they don't get their way. doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #278

Agreed 100% NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #279

sanders want to get the nomination with only 30% support Gothmog Apr 2019 #281

Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #285

The choice may be Woke or Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #287

Opinion: If the economy keeps its momentum, 2020 will be Trump's to lose Gothmog May 2019 #288

I saw the light musicman65 May 2019 #289

bernie didn't even vote for mcgovern Otto Lidenbrock May 2019 #292

Get behind the nominee, whoever that is. Iggo May 2019 #293

I worked Beatleman May 2019 #295

can they just stop saying johannsyah May 2019 #297

Yeah, just like the bloated asshole currently sitting in the WH wasn't electable in 2016 either. mtnsnake May 2019 #298

Most Believe Socialism Is Not American Gothmog May 2019 #300

Most Americans don't know what "Socialism" is.. Stuart G May 2019 #301

But then many Americans who say they support Socialism emmaverybo May 2019 #304

This grows more and more true daily nt Celerity May 2019 #305

If Bernie loses support among youth, what is left??? Gothmog May 2019 #306

The message. aikoaiko May 2019 #307

sanders was counting on a brokered convention Gothmog May 2019 #308

I understand what you're saying and if things stay the same, you'll be right. aikoaiko May 2019 #309

Kick because of the ridiculous Biden copycat thread...nt SidDithers May 2019 #310

Agreed Gothmog May 2019 #312

Well said. Kick. WeekiWater May 2019 #311

Gallop-Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President Gothmog May 2019 #314

Who is best musicman65 May 2019 #315

Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed Gothmog May 2019 #316

This is interesting Gothmog May 2019 #317

New CNN poll: A majority of Americans say they think President Trump is going to win a second term Gothmog Jun 2019 #318

Washington Post-Sanders wants Americans to buy into socialism. He's got some convincing to do Gothmog Jun 2019 #319

New poll: Capitalism is more popular than socialism Gothmog Jun 2019 #320

Thanks, Goth.. Cha Jun 2019 #321