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In reply to the discussion: Biden to coal miners "Learn to code." [View all]Backseat Driver
(4,671 posts)88. Yeah, right, not even funny!
Sure, states can surely turn to government to train coal miners to code vintage software languages, but most every corp has moved on to their specific ready-to-lock and load proprietary systems for just about every industry application; the only networked clouds miners know are the ones over their heads while they were underground.
Sure, a few chose to be rooted in place in rural America or loved to read the college poetry and classics on their off-time, but beginner's classes in computer coding will hardly cut the mustard toward a useful career anytime soon - and then there's that temptation for generational ruin called more undischargeable student loan debt to enslave every dollar and every normal adult landmark choice like marriage, home purchase, and responsible rearing of children, from the older/younger ones as well?
And "I helped" says Biden regarding his advice for miners retraining. Sounds more like that old "fool me once..." stuff of the '90s post failure in the '80s.
DH used to do that - CODE; RPG/COBOL/review applications done in C++. I learned the language of medicine and how to read doc's handwriting and made sure he'd signed his orders. I learned to code for billing, hospital/ambulatory care, and research, but neither coding skill turned out much different than struggling with a shovel in a mine for low wages.
They actually explained how they thought DH was Asian at one interview, and had him screened by foreigners who spoke their own language to determine if he was a "good fit" at several others. He thankfully missed training his replacements and but was informed he could not be hired because he was not currently working! WTF?
He was hired specifically to burn the budgets of government contractors, and sat idle on the payroll without so much as a workstation until he quit in disgust and traveled on his day of hire by a T4 primary contractor at his own expense for a budget-burning VA training session out-of-state where even the instructors never showed up. Why? So headhunters and hiring managers could split a commission, perhaps???
Perhaps retraining would have made him a great low-income caregiver? He was an only child with a chronically terminally ill father who would never qualify for assistance, nor believed in Wall Street investments, after all? Does anyone really think that the Dept. of Labor or the State would care to investigate these types of claims that target? May we see the review tape? Oh wait, that's the high-cost lawyers' job to prove, except no "regular (non)working person" can afford that or healthcare, or housing, or food? We had a plan for repayments and our retirement; now, as I've noted, it's a terrifying Plan B that awaits no matter who THIS election provides as leaders.
Government moves and speaks too late and acts too slowly, Joe Biden. Ms. Warren has explained how it all went wrong and has real plans that can work.
Now let's talk about age discrimination likely to occur directly after elementary STEM programs where, the rest of the time, teachers who can't need schooling in academic teach-to-test "artificial" intelligence and become embroiled in conspiracies of silence over abuse and lack of support and supervision at homes and wherever else children and youth in America gather. But "Hey Joe." If it's you instead of this "Hey boomers" choice, I'll help you out, good buddy with a vote should I live so long. That's much more a real consideration than training in computer coding!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Some would like to think that, but he didn't. People should look at EXACTLY what he said....
George II
Dec 2019
#8
Anyone who lets Biden talk a hit over the Ukraine 'story' is doing dumps work for him. nt
UniteFightBack
Jan 2020
#120
Biden's words can be reformed to talk about training for the jobs of the future.
Blue_true
Dec 2019
#108
That's why we need a lot more government funding for retraining programs.
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#219
Young miners and their children learning the skills of the future is the only way
Blue_true
Dec 2019
#107
Your ideas (and the supporting "public infrastructure" ) were part of the 2016 Democratic Platform,
lapucelle
Jan 2020
#188
I know. Hillary had a comprohensive vision for people in coal country, they bought the words of a
Blue_true
Jan 2020
#195
"Everyone knows "coding" is shorthand for developing a new, marketable skill"
redqueen
Jan 2020
#146
"learn to code" has been read as tone-deaf, overly simplistic, and just bad advice
redqueen
Jan 2020
#158
Every one does know. But many wait for the slightest opportunity to pounce on Biden, so they
emmaverybo
Jan 2020
#190
Hortensis, you tell the hard truths. Some collaborate willingly, others, unknowingly.
emmaverybo
Jan 2020
#192
Joe, you're so right; cant believe Biden said that! He needs new advisors to help his campaign.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2019
#34
I'm thinking we're going to need a "What self-destructive thing did Joe say today?" thread...
regnaD kciN
Dec 2019
#48
Totally agree with your post. Joe is a ticking time bomb, riding Obama's coat strings!
chimpymustgo
Jan 2020
#129
Exactly..My husband works for RR and his dumb co workers listened to Trump about coal..
helpisontheway
Dec 2019
#92
geez thats scary thinking about the conditions miners work in...they are tough!
samnsara
Dec 2019
#55
The solution has to be to provide services to retrain workers for a different job.
Caliman73
Dec 2019
#61
I don't think it's so much about the coal mining jobs, it's his solution which far, far from reality
brutus smith
Dec 2019
#64
"...sat down for his weekly, three-hour, Saturday morning news-reading session."
SMC22307
Jan 2020
#185
That video contains two parts of Biden's answer - the start and end - skipping context in themiddle
Otto Lidenbrock
Dec 2019
#72
me neither..its saying if you can go underground 3000 feet you can do ANYTHING!!
samnsara
Jan 2020
#130
Better yet...Oh dear, who is misrepresenting what he said? He did NOT say what's in the OP.
George II
Dec 2019
#22
Seriously!! Joe has some very high-paid advisors... they need to huddle and fix it, pronto!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2019
#35
Would you now...kind of snobby I think to assume those who work for a living are stupid.
Demsrule86
Dec 2019
#77
I was looking at it more like Trump worshipping miners that actually beleived he'd bring
brewens
Jan 2020
#136
I'm sure there are a few former coal miners who can become great developers
Sapient Donkey
Jan 2020
#164
A lot of the policy elites are basically clueless about average people. The policy elites are
Midwestern Democrat
Jan 2020
#161
Sure they are. How many are honest about how well that has worked in the past?
redqueen
Jan 2020
#152
Excellent point!! You would think Joe has read Hillary's book forward and backwards
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#113
"Learn to code" has become a glib solution for those in desperate need of employment.
Aaron Pereira
Dec 2019
#62
Exactly. I saw the clip this morning and could not believe what I was hearing.
redqueen
Jan 2020
#155
How about "the govt will pay for you to learn how to work in green technology"
Fiendish Thingy
Dec 2019
#74
I have thought that they surely have many transferable skills and abilities.
raging moderate
Dec 2019
#78
What makes some here so down on coal miners that they assume they can't learn to code?
gulliver
Dec 2019
#83
"Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God's sake!"
myohmy2
Dec 2019
#87
Trump to coal miners: "You will always have mining jobs! I'm bringing coal back!"
Hekate
Dec 2019
#89
NO, she had a $30 billion clean energy jobs plan. Quote taken out of context, as everybody knows.
betsuni
Jan 2020
#121
Yep, that's cavalier way of discussing coal mining. It was a bad day for HRC.
aikoaiko
Jan 2020
#122
Still waiting for why "Coal is in decline" isn't a cavalier way of discussing coal mining.
betsuni
Jan 2020
#124
They're not, they're against unhelpful political comments that could alienate a block of voters!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#178
A little reminiscent of Mike Dukakis' "Belgian Endive" comment to Indiana farmers
Algernon Moncrieff
Jan 2020
#131
People need to pay bills and learning new skills will be a better future.
FloridaBlues
Jan 2020
#179
I love Joe but this is a bit of a stretch to think that old unemployed coal miners..
honest.abe
Jan 2020
#210
It's ageist to suggest that old workers are not capable of learning new career skills.
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#212
If you read my entire post I suggested welding as a good transition career for older coal workers.
honest.abe
Jan 2020
#214
That sounds like good advice to me. People need to be flexible and make changes
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#211