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NYMinute

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Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:28 PM Jan 2020

This Is What a Republican Attack on Bernie Sanders Would Look Like [View all]

Sanders’ “superior electability” is still a myth.

Over the past year, Bernie Sanders’ supporters have repeatedly criticized the undemocratic role of superdelegates in choosing the Democratic presidential nominee. In February, for example, MoveOn, which had endorsed Sanders the month before, started a petition saying, “Democracy only works when the votes of the people—not the decision of a small number of elites—are what determines the outcome of elections.” The fear, then, was that Sanders would win the most pledged delegates but that Hillary Clinton would use her pull with insiders to trump the popular will.

It is more than a little ironic, then, that Sanders is now urging those same insiders to ignore the intention of the primary electorate—which has given Clinton an edge in both pledged delegates and raw votes—and bequeath the nomination to him instead. In a Washington press conference on Sunday, Sanders, who has no discernible path to a delegate majority, outlined a plan to force a contested convention, where he apparently believes some superdelegates will flip to his side on the basis of electability. “The evidence is extremely clear that I would be the stronger candidate to defeat Trump or any other Republican,” he said. Sanders reiterated this on Monday at a rally in Evansville, Indiana, saying, “We appeal to virtually all the Democrats, but we do a lot better with independents than Secretary Clinton. And I hope the Democrats at the national convention understand that while independents may not be able to vote in certain Democratic primaries, they do vote in the general election.”

I have no idea if Sanders is serious about this superdelegate plan. It might just be a rationale for him to keep fighting until the end of the primaries, garnering delegates that he could leverage to push Clinton and the party leftward at the convention. But if he is serious, then what he is proposing is a presumption based on a falsehood.

The presumption is that there is anything progressive about a plan that asks powerful figures to cast aside an electoral majority built on the choices of women and people of color. The falsehood is that Sanders’ superior electability is, as he asserted on Sunday, “extremely clear.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/05/bernie-sanders-electability-argument-is-still-a-myth.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"He's a New Dealer! A Roosevelt Lover!" no_hypocrisy Jan 2020 #1
I'm confused; what does a story from 2016 tell us about Republican attacks? brooklynite Jan 2020 #2
My point: Don't let the Republicans "re-brand" Sanders as a Socialist when his policies no_hypocrisy Jan 2020 #5
They don't HAVE to "re-brand" Sanders; he's a self-acknowledged Socialist... brooklynite Jan 2020 #9
A "Democratic" Socialist!! skh500 Jan 2020 #13
FDR wasn't a socialist. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #14
FDR was not a Socialist, but he was attacked for being so. Joe Brunoli Jan 2020 #18
Again, don't repeat false right-wing talking points. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #58
BS says he himself IS a "Socialist". Cha Jan 2020 #76
Republicans said he was.. whathehell Jan 2020 #32
So? Don't spread Republican lies. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #57
Lol..Defensive much? whathehell Jan 2020 #64
The facts are that the socialists of FDRs time attacked him as a plutocrat The Valley Below Jan 2020 #66
It's time to go BEYOND labels and learn about actual Policies.. whathehell Jan 2020 #67
He denied it because it was the truth. FDR understood full well the nature of socialism. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #68
SOCIALISM (noun): brooklynite Jan 2020 #27
Um, that's Communism.. whathehell Jan 2020 #33
Gotcha: SOCIALISM (Noun) brooklynite Jan 2020 #35
Lol..Try to keep up whathehell Jan 2020 #38
Again, this is your problem... brooklynite Jan 2020 #39
No, dear..It's yours, and you obviously didn't read the link whathehell Jan 2020 #40
Yes, people support progressive policies.... brooklynite Jan 2020 #41
Lol..Without having to run to Webster's dictionary again, whathehell Jan 2020 #43
FDR was branded a Socialist and said he wasn't...Sanders is branded a Socialist and say he is brooklynite Jan 2020 #46
Lol..Really? whathehell Jan 2020 #53
Exactly.. People need to learn more about Democratic Socialism whathehell Jan 2020 #30
The only people who claim that "Democratic Socialism" means something different from "Socialism"... brooklynite Jan 2020 #37
Socialism has lost its sting and the only people Terrified of it whathehell Jan 2020 #42
In 2016, my wife and I went to a Sanders rally and agreed with all of his policies... brooklynite Jan 2020 #48
Socialism, where is thy sting? Joe Brunoli Jan 2020 #17
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2020 #91
They wouldn't have to rebrand him. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #19
It seems his supporters know the least about him. betsuni Jan 2020 #20
BS supporters seem to have and oft mentioned resemblance to diehard rw trumpers. empedocles Jan 2020 #28
They were very upset at this, yet couldn't debunk any of it. betsuni Jan 2020 #31
Ikr. We're here to Cha Jan 2020 #77
I'm shocked by how little people know about FDR, New Deal policies, whathehell Jan 2020 #36
I'm not as shocked by that. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #49
Of course you're not.. whathehell Jan 2020 #63
It's not pathetically ignorant. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #65
Yes it is, especially for Democrats whathehell Jan 2020 #69
And FDR was a pro-capitalist, globalist, free-trader, who wanted the US to enter WWII. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #82
..And his mother wore combat boots! whathehell Jan 2020 #83
I think Sara Delano Roosevelt was more partial to mink stoles. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #84
Lol..Only you would take that literally whathehell Jan 2020 #85
What's "funny" is people who are not remotely comparable to the great liberal Democratic The Valley Below Jan 2020 #86
Lol..Keep telling yourself that. whathehell Jan 2020 #88
Count on me not keeping silent when the legacy of the Democratic Party The Valley Below Jan 2020 #89
Yeah, me too. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #87
Sanders brands, not re-brands, himself as a socialist: George II Jan 2020 #55
I doubt they'd bother with his switch on superdelegates in 2016. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #3
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #4
Is something coming down the pike? Autumn Jan 2020 #7
. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #10
Those voters in WI, PA, and MI ritapria Jan 2020 #6
this OP is almost 100% 2016. I thought we weren't doing replays of 16? stopdiggin Jan 2020 #8
Yep. Dated May 02, 2016. progressoid Jan 2020 #11
Is anything factually or historically incorrect? What's changed? NurseJackie Jan 2020 #12
my understanding that DU rules call for no replays of 2016 stopdiggin Jan 2020 #15
Nice try. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #23
Things have changed quite a bit since 2016 Joe Brunoli Jan 2020 #44
"A good Rapid response system" ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #47
And with all those "advantages" he's doing worse NOW than before. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #51
"Bernie now has the highest name recognition of any candidate..." Maybe not the highest, but... George II Jan 2020 #56
Bernie's past hasn't changed treestar Jan 2020 #61
So you think that this part is "inaccurate?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #62
Bernie is still the same candidate in 2020 treestar Jan 2020 #60
Why not a replay of "Bern Your Enthusiasm"! betsuni Jan 2020 #16
lol nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #50
I love how much time you guys spend on Bernie RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #22
On the right track of pissing off Democrats? betsuni Jan 2020 #24
aww RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #25
Pissing off liberals! betsuni Jan 2020 #26
lol.. and you didn't know? Cha Jan 2020 #90
Imagine if Sanders people spent all of their time attacking Joe? brutus smith Jan 2020 #29
+1. Sick of the obsessive sniping. We would do far better w/adult discussion of the real issues. JudyM Jan 2020 #59
May 2, 2016... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #34
The republican attack on Bernie will not be anything subtle or nuanced LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #45
This! Exactly. Attacks. Hortensis Jan 2020 #52
People that don't believe the repugh won't dredge up every Bernie statement Blue_true Jan 2020 #71
The RW are masters at not just character assassination but designing Hortensis Jan 2020 #54
The repugnants won't tie Bernie to modern day Russia, Blue_true Jan 2020 #72
I have seen a ton of oppo on sanders and I think I know how trump would attack sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #70
I try not to think about the convention, the lead up to it and the aftermath, Blue_true Jan 2020 #73
I was at the convention Gothmog Jan 2020 #74
My friend, you clearly have more self restraint that I do. Blue_true Jan 2020 #75
Delegates to a national convention represent their candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #79
Thanks for the behind the scenes recollection of what was happening. Blue_true Jan 2020 #80
Is he actually a socialist? Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #78
He espoused socialist economic solutions into his early forties. Blue_true Jan 2020 #81
Bernie Sanders' real problem isn't Elizabeth Warren. It's Donald Trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #92
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