Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Wow. Well: 1) "most Americans are quite fed up with the status quo"
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:28 PM
Jan 2020

is almost always a sure sign of some manipulator trying to sucker readers, feeding them what a power player wants them to believe, rather than readers than obtaining facts and information directly from the doers and arriving at their own conclusions. Only read material that provides links to who's being quoted, and hit THOSE to get to the original sources before reading. Don't let propagandists tell you what smart people said and why, read for yourself.

2) Another sure sign of chicanery afoot is the notion that FDR was not a mainstream, establishment, pro-capitalism liberal Democrat like most of the people in the Democratic Party today. The people you imagine FDR was like gave him hell until he finally kicked out the ones he'd brought into his government to help fix the nation. They gave him no choice. Sanders' counterparts in the 1930s believed FDR (a quintessential member of the ultrawealthy "establishment" ) betrayed America; they were appalled by the New Deal as proof of betrayal, and ran one of their own against him in hopes of kicking him out of office. They believed they represented "the people." They were wrong, and their new Progressive Party failed soon after.

3) There's some truth to your notion that Trump appealed because he sounded anti-status quo, but then it stops. Maybe read about populism, populists, and populist leaders, which both Trump and Sanders are.

A majority of populists are economically progressive and socially conservative, which is why those on the right turned on their betraying wealthy-serving, anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-progressivism Republican leadership, first with the Tea Party and now with Trump. And it's why many of Trump's and Sanders' supporters can switch between them so easily.

Some responsible people get involved in populist movements, but overall the movements are given their special identity by destructive resentment and antagonism that crave leaders who'll take them on a mindless rampage against "the establishment" (interpretation: Democrats) and assorted ancillary targets, often including POC, Jews, that sort of thing. Nothing any nice or responsible person wants to be part of.

4) "Neoliberal"? Gimme a break. That's a huge dog whistle for hostile propaganda. The word was resuscitated for scoundrels to use to deceive because the old word neoliberal equates most these days to hard-core conservative laissez faire economics, BUT has the word "liberal" in it. Made to order for confusing those whose misplaced trust exceeds their interest in looking words up.

5) "Trickle down" was created to refer to reaganomics. Reagan was conservative, and his popularity was used by hard-core laissez faire RW types to move the nation strongly right -- reaganomics. Trickle down these days still refers to RW greedy-bastard economics, the very antithesis of liberal economics.

Here's one last thing:

"We can have democracy in this country, OR we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."

This was progressive liberal Nancy Pelosi quoting pre- New Deal, progressive liberal Justice Louis Brandeis to the nation at the opening of the 116th congress.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Thanks, Mr. Bill LakeArenal Jan 2020 #1
Yep. dware Jan 2020 #2
No doubt. Our nominee's going to have to stomach a shit sandwich. WheelWalker Jan 2020 #3
Honestly, being from California, I had high hopes for Harris, Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #4
yes, that was very hard to watch..up until then I thought they would be a dream team... samnsara Jan 2020 #8
I had a very high regard for Harris PatSeg Jan 2020 #10
"I really don't recall Obama ever doing that" crazytown Jan 2020 #13
Oh ouch! PatSeg Jan 2020 #33
Most of the debates were civil, even friendly, crazytown Jan 2020 #34
Yeah PatSeg Jan 2020 #39
I lot of us Biden fans are rooting for Harris to be either Biden's VP or AG. :) Sloumeau Jan 2020 #11
Your thinking is very logical to me. BarbD Jan 2020 #24
He is the most well suited candidate to fix all the orange idiots messes Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
Why? DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #14
We-elll, expertise in both judiciary and foreign affairs, for two things. Hortensis Jan 2020 #23
"And when he doesn't, PatSeg Jan 2020 #38
+1000. What is befuddling to me is WHY is this not OBVIOUS to all?? nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #51
i know what you mean...we have NO TIME for a learning curve... samnsara Jan 2020 #6
Whose learning curve? DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #15
Bernie sure doesn't need a learning curve, based on his IWR vote, as compared to Joe's bad decision InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #27
Wise choice mr. Bill onetexan Jan 2020 #7
He is the only one who already has our allies' respect. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #16
His "wisdom" put us in the Middle East. DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #17
Biden came out against Iraq in July of 2003...we sent troops in March of 2003...so very Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #26
The majority of Americans are leaning toward Joe Biden, as strongly evidenced by the poll numbers bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #28
Sorry, Biden polls at less than 50% of the Dem electorate DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #49
They are all polling at under 50%. Warren won't win the swing states. GET REAL! nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #53
Wow. Well: 1) "most Americans are quite fed up with the status quo" Hortensis Jan 2020 #40
Impressive post...my dear. Very impressive. I am always awed by your range of knowledge.... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #44
Lol. I'm a broken record, Dems, or a talking doll with a long string, Hortensis Jan 2020 #46
you are intelligent and modest! No seriously, I am fairly well read...but I learn something from Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #48
Same here you, Dems. Hortensis Jan 2020 #63
That is very kind...not sure deserved but very kind. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #66
Hey, I always click when I see your name, Hortensis Jan 2020 #68
I am more than fed up with he status quo tirebiter Jan 2020 #58
:) Love your name, Tirebiter. Also SO sick of hearing "status quo." Hortensis Jan 2020 #62
Great post! Thank you. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #59
:) How about "progressive" for themselves? Hortensis Jan 2020 #67
I think "progressive only for oneself" pretty well describes being a "reactionary." The Valley Below Jan 2020 #69
Thanks. For sure being populist is about oneself, Hortensis Jan 2020 #70
Common ground. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #71
Good job with buying into the bullshit of the 'status quo' crap. They are fucking racist bastards.. UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #52
Mr.Bill, welcome to Team Biden! :) Sloumeau Jan 2020 #9
He's the one with enough experience in Government to put it back together. NBachers Jan 2020 #12
I'm thinking the same way lees1975 Jan 2020 #18
The US interests Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #21
Take the plunge and change that undecided!!! UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #54
Starting to lean that way as well. At least he will put smart people around him. AND F..in LISTEN! usaf-vet Jan 2020 #19
I think Elizabeth Warren should be one of them. The CPB really needs her. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #55
Totally agree....VP? usaf-vet Jan 2020 #61
A good point Roy Rolling Jan 2020 #20
Thanks ... Good choice! Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #22
Should he win the nomination, he has my vote. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #25
Same, but fortunately, Joe's chances of getting the nomination decline by the day... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #29
Other than your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to, Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #32
iS tHaT ReAlLy TrUe? nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #43
I worry about you...Biden looks to be the nominee...not Bernie or Elizabeth. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #45
What about tiptonic Jan 2020 #30
He's not running. Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #31
John Kerry is actively backing Joe Biden so... Mars and Minerva Jan 2020 #36
Obvious antidote to Trump. OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2020 #35
Yup. ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #37
Biden as President for foreign affairs with Warren as VP for domestic. Pepsidog Jan 2020 #41
K&R Go Joe!! nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #42
I'm haven't made my primary decision yet but we do need someone to steady this ship yaesu Jan 2020 #47
Smart and Pragmatic. Joe will call our allies straight away and get to work. He truly will appoint UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #50
Intervention is a winner waveiscoming Jan 2020 #56
We need to leave the middle east waveiscoming Jan 2020 #57
I think many will come to the same conclusion as you. The possibility of WWIII will likely move.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #60
Ahhh Nice!! this just came up to the top of my feed!! Peacetrain Jan 2020 #64
Solid Choice. I'd be happy to vote for Joe in the general, no doubt. SKKY Jan 2020 #65
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»In light of recent events...»Reply #40