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at140

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10. Admitting truth is not better than not admitting truth?

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 11:29 AM

Jan 2020

Definitely Iraq war was the 2nd biggest foreign policy blunder since WWII.
If the bad dictator Saddam was left alone in Iraq, we would never have ISIS.
Because Saddam was executing ISIS type people all along.
Middle-east was relatively stable before invading Iraq by Bush-43.
Now it is a bigger chaos by orders of magnitude.

But it was a different era, and no one could see the future consequences.
So I would forgive Biden for his vote if he genuinely admitted it was a mistake.

#1 foreign policy blunder was starting a guerrilla war in rice paddies of Vietnam,
with military supply lines extended 8000+ miles, and restrictions on bombing N.Vietnam
cities of Hanoi etc. The chess players in Kremlin must have laughed them selves silly seeing
United states was getting involved in a no-win war.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Biden Again Falsely Claims He Opposed Iraq War [View all] babylonsister Jan 2020 OP

politician gobbledegook, just what Americans don't want anymore janterry Jan 2020 #1

Is the No Malarkey tour over? n/t delisen Jan 2020 #2

Good point. zentrum Jan 2020 #7

+1 Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #14

They'll be serving leftover Malarkey sandwiches for a week after that one. Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #58

It's the Come On Man I Never Said No Malarkey tour. A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2020 #84

Why can't Biden just admit he was wrong on Iraq War Resolution vote? at140 Jan 2020 #3

Would not easily forgive. zentrum Jan 2020 #8

Admitting truth is not better than not admitting truth? at140 Jan 2020 #10

"But it was a different era, and no one could see the future consequences." Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #15

Most wrongly assumed getting rid of Saddam would stabilize M-East at140 Jan 2020 #19

That's the problem I have in giving Biden a pass on Iraq. Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #21

And, by the way, GWB II exploited the pain of many people. Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #23

GWB-43? The dumbest president in a century! at140 Jan 2020 #24

My relatives are tapped into that whole Wall Street money making churn. Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #25

I can't buy that. Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #69

It was not a different era, and MANY people saw the consequences. redqueen Jan 2020 #20

Only the strongly anti-war people did, majority of Americans did not! at140 Jan 2020 #22

We're talking about legislators whose job it is to put a check on the president's powers. redqueen Jan 2020 #27

I agree about the quagmire scenario at140 Jan 2020 #33

SIGH...so I see you say you will vote blue, GREAT...but so what you are saying Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #76

He seems to be very averse to admitting mistakes loyalsister Jan 2020 #32

Be wary of people who refuse to admit mistakes and change! at140 Jan 2020 #74

He's doing this because he is a notoriously undisciplined candidate BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #4

It's a mystery as to why he says one thing one week and goes with the opposite the next. Autumn Jan 2020 #5

Will it matter? Since their leader does the same thing? Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #16

They ignore that their leaders does it. For example nude photos of one first lady all over the web Autumn Jan 2020 #17

In the days of micro-targeting it really matters. Terry_M Jan 2020 #59

+1 betsuni Jan 2020 #61

Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2020 #6

There's another OP where he's called "honest Joe" in the title. redqueen Jan 2020 #9

I noticed that. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #13

SMH He certainly has the name recognition, but Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #11

Doesn't seem to be hurting him. bearsfootball516 Jan 2020 #28

It will hurt hi in the general booley Jan 2020 #34

It didn't hurt Clinton nor Kerry and it won't hurt Biden...I wonder do you thing Sanders war vote Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #38

Lol BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #43

Again? progressoid Jan 2020 #12

Is his memory failing him? His record is there for everyone to see. jalan48 Jan 2020 #18

why is this even an issue or being brought up?? I do not look for perfection in.. samnsara Jan 2020 #26

Because he's twisting the truth and it's so babylonsister Jan 2020 #30

So you say but twisting the truth is the Biden oppositions habit...I would have to read any Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #48

I don't look for perfection either. I also don't look for a candidate who is always backtracking Autumn Jan 2020 #77

Could you imagine where we would be if Obama had chosen someone like Ron Wyden as his VP? LonePirate Jan 2020 #29

I sincerely doubt we would have gay marriage or the ACA. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #39

Considering SCOTUS gave us the former and safely blue Oregon helped give us the ACA ... LonePirate Jan 2020 #45

Biden took the rust belt for Obama...your guy wouldn't have. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #46

You're funny. Obama would have romped in '08 with a zombie as a running mate. LonePirate Jan 2020 #47

Not necessarily true...but think what you want. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #49

If you say so. I worked the campaign. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #72

So much for his judgment and "experience." yellowwoodII Jan 2020 #31

Imagine if Hillary had said that. StevieM Jan 2020 #35

+1 nt backtoblue Jan 2020 #36

Yeah because there were no desperate attempts to make her IWR vote a thing in 2016 BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #42

Looks like most Biden supporters won't defend him on this wellst0nev0ter Jan 2020 #37

17 years ago during a different time...why would we bother? It won't hurt Biden. Because those Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #40

There's nothing to defend BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #41

It is an example of a stupid blunder. Politically stupid anc a foriegn policy disaster. Buzz cook Jan 2020 #63

Look below; it appears the OP oversimplifies things treestar Jan 2020 #81

This is not up for debate wellst0nev0ter Jan 2020 #82

From the moment it began is later treestar Jan 2020 #44

Exactly, the vote was in October, before the investigators were Iraq karynnj Jan 2020 #85

Biden and others DID oppose going into Iraq and demanded "proof", that is when Blue_true Jan 2020 #50

Thanks elleng Jan 2020 #51

I lived that period. Democrats, including Biden gave Bush hell and delayed his Blue_true Jan 2020 #52

So did I, live during that period. elleng Jan 2020 #53

Me too and read a few books about it. It was Bush's war plain and simple emulatorloo Jan 2020 #54

The issue is people are so intent on trashing Hillary and Biden Blue_true Jan 2020 #79

A lot of people are using hindsight here. boomer_wv Jan 2020 #55

Good points. But Biden, Clinton and others demanded proof from Bush, even as the public beat the Blue_true Jan 2020 #57

Your last sentence. Exactly. betsuni Jan 2020 #60

Exactly. boomer_wv Jan 2020 #62

I remember how after the invasion Bush was surprised everybody wasn't the same type of betsuni Jan 2020 #64

He can personally oppose a war but vote for it NYMinute Jan 2020 #56

I guess another question is, why are you doing this? George II Jan 2020 #65

No he didn't. Why persist in this here? George II Jan 2020 #66

Two posts saying same thing in 5 minutes? USALiberal Jan 2020 #67

Did I break any rules? George II Jan 2020 #68

Wow, this is a really snarky thread PatSeg Jan 2020 #70

He got caught with a simple fact check... how did he think he could get away with it? Joe941 Jan 2020 #71

Others simply call the source "corporate owned" when they get caught in a simple fact check. ehrnst Jan 2020 #73

Sanders was also wrong, possibly lying, saying that Biden was one of those who LED the attack karynnj Jan 2020 #75

Your recollections are on par with what I remember. Blue_true Jan 2020 #80

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jan 2020 #78

We need a forum for Biden lies that won't die. Hortensis Jan 2020 #83