Democratic Primaries

TidalWave46

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98. It's one of the best things we have going for us.

Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:02 PM

Jan 2020

"we've got an executive branch that's moving rapidly on just about everything good that has transpired for the average American, the environment, and even minorities over the past 40 years."

You highlight the stability in that sentence.

"Oh, American Exceptionalism? That's been an exaggeration, and on numerous fronts a lie, from the get go -- at least since the early 60s."

You highlight my accurate point with this sentence as well. No doubt the feelings are a great display of what American Exceptionalism is.

We are so unstable that I am going to post on an internet board, with my space heater next to me, for the next twelve hours!!!

Shit!!!!! Who is that at my door?!?!?!?!?!

Nope. Wasn't the KGB. Just an Amazon delivery guy bringing me my avocado shampoo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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AOC: "In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are." [View all] Otto Lidenbrock Jan 2020 OP

isn't it the truth? janterry Jan 2020 #1

Because countries like that still have dominance between two major parties Otto Lidenbrock Jan 2020 #10

interesting janterry Jan 2020 #12

You left out the Labor Party that was a top 2 party before the Lib Dems of Blaire bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #92

Tony Blair was the longest serving Labour PM mathematic Jan 2020 #100

I stand corrected, but smaller parties often fill the numbers to reach a majority bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #115

Yup. Hortensis Jan 2020 #128

Smaller parties guarantee minority rule and make politically advantageous deals for themselves Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #131

And AOC's party would have no influence treestar Jan 2020 #137

The comment is strange Huin Jan 2020 #79

This isn't "other countries", and if she has a problem with OUR Democratic Party there are options.. George II Jan 2020 #129

It will be interesting to see if these comments hurt AOC in The primary Gothmog Jan 2020 #186

So much for the big tent bullshit huh? nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #173

NO. Cha Jan 2020 #209

Agreed. AOC is a member of the DSA. crazytown Jan 2020 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #3

It's not a bizarre comment. It's possible the party has changed even if some members have not. LonePirate Jan 2020 #4

Maybe DownriverDem Jan 2020 #13

Yeah well her candidates are losing thus she is the one that seems out of step. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #44

Yeah, anybody can defeat a 20 year incumbent and member of leadership by 15 points! LonePirate Jan 2020 #57

Given the voter turnout in the primary...no it wasn't hard. Once she won the primary she was Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #62

And it is only a two year term PatSeg Jan 2020 #66

That is the biggest complaint about her that I hear...she is using the district as a stepping stone Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #73

When Hillary was in the senate, PatSeg Jan 2020 #81

The challenge was the primary, not the general. Any D wins that area in the general. LonePirate Jan 2020 #70

It is not much of a challenge with 10% or less voting in the primary...the challenge will be can she Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #72

She wins again easily now that she's the incumbent with name ID, money and endorsements. LonePirate Jan 2020 #74

Time will tell...her opponent the first time was the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #76

Do you have evidence she isn't? nt Gore1FL Jan 2020 #177

pretty much booley Jan 2020 #93

Excellent point!! AOC did the impossible... and will do so again!! She's a rockstar!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #105

Well, if she's not happy in our party there's a remedy for that. After all, she thinks our party.... George II Jan 2020 #89

My thought exactly LakeArenal Jan 2020 #102

Her rejection of the wonderfulness of our big tent Hortensis Jan 2020 #139

If she doesn't believe in the big tent, one of the principles of our Party, what's she doing here? George II Jan 2020 #146

Only game in town? The big tent isn't only a basic principle Hortensis Jan 2020 #148

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #141

If we just lived up to our espoused values as Democrats she'd happily fit in. Gore1FL Jan 2020 #178

But then the new members should step out and form a new party. Huin Jan 2020 #94

The white man in his 70s has devoted decades to the party to make it what it is. I'm not ready.... George II Jan 2020 #109

And they can also have a lot in common. It was not a bizarre comment it was close minded and UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #174

It's is one of the major reasons for our stability. NT TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #5

Stability?! What stability? KPN Jan 2020 #87

Your reply is based in American Exceptionalism. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #95

And that's a good thing? Meanwhile, we've got an executive branch that's moving rapidly on KPN Jan 2020 #97

It's one of the best things we have going for us. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #98

Compared to Honduras or Argentina or treestar Jan 2020 #135

Why do the Democratic Socialists hate the Democrats? NYMinute Jan 2020 #6

One could also ask why do Democrats hate Democratic Socialists ? Autumn Jan 2020 #9

It's the DownriverDem Jan 2020 #14

So you agree that in non-two party countries, they would be in different parties. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #15

Whatever happened to your Big tent Democratic party? I can see Republicans are Autumn Jan 2020 #17

AOC is saying JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #25

Actually no...in the article AOC says their should be standards as to who can be Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #65

I agree with her. The Congressional Progressive Caucus should have the same standards as other Autumn Jan 2020 #69

You're conflating the Dem party with the CPC. nt redqueen Jan 2020 #80

AOC is saying that a big tent is a bad thing. Democrats don't say that. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #163

The problem with the big tent is that moderate Republicans are welcome, Centrists are welcome Autumn Jan 2020 #169

Big tent means that anyone that wants to take part in an ethical fashion is Blue_true Jan 2020 #170

Nancy Pelosi reaffirms this. Any implications that we're divided are mistaken or made in bad faith. ancianita Jan 2020 #75

But that would be easy to answer...why should Democrats like a group that criticize the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #64

Maybe because as members of the party we have every right to criticize the party?. I don't Autumn Jan 2020 #107

If you enjoy losing elections, by all means avail yourself of this 'right'...We have the right to do Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #119

Criticizing our party because we disagree with some their actions is not the reason we have Autumn Jan 2020 #121

Then let Bernie go out and do that treestar Jan 2020 #138

It is exactly why we lose elections and why we have lost members...the party is attacked on the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #147

That's a fair question. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #106

If you must see it that way, it's because treestar Jan 2020 #136

The democratic socialists can leave our party and start their own party. Blue_true Jan 2020 #162

Because of BULLSHIT comments like this and this is the tip of the iceberg. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #175

It wasn't a comment. It was a question. Autumn Jan 2020 #197

I answered your question. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #205

No, you didn't. You were under the impression it was a comment. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #207

I say it again ... Huin Jan 2020 #96

Bad analogy NYMinute Jan 2020 #99

And more than the Republicans? treestar Jan 2020 #133

+1,000,000 nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #153

Attitudes like that are a great way to lose elections. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #7

I agree PatSeg Jan 2020 #22

Agreed Huin Jan 2020 #149

+100 Duppers Jan 2020 #188

GOP memes online keep saying Joe is a lefty socialist IronLionZion Jan 2020 #8

And the republicans Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #20

My point is we shouldn't worry about our candidate being "too liberal" IronLionZion Jan 2020 #24

How about when you are a newly elecected Democrat, you shouldn't attack other Democrats in Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #40

I totally agree. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #86

Very true. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #41

"And study Hebrew basket weaving until they're 45 for free." PatSeg Jan 2020 #29

A person can't care what they think. They don't think. defacto7 Jan 2020 #51

They have the media help them treestar Jan 2020 #140

+1 treestar Jan 2020 #134

Do we want to win? It is a good time to use a gentle filter when cry baby Jan 2020 #11

Does she want to make the rules who belongs Hav Jan 2020 #16

That's my question JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #26

She is clearly showing her lack PatSeg Jan 2020 #35

Yeah, that was me as well at maybe 18 to early 20s Hav Jan 2020 #53

And that the world wasn't so black or white, PatSeg Jan 2020 #63

One wing of the Democratic Party helped win the House back in 2018 brooklynite Jan 2020 #18

And the wing that won the safe blue house seats...can't compete statewide and in some cases in any Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #36

True squirecam Jan 2020 #210

Each time AOC speaks my opinion of her diminishes. She's a divider not comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #19

She reminds me of a quote from Jim Morrison when I was her age: Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #23

I think she got too much attention PatSeg Jan 2020 #37

She has great Ideas? comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #42

Maybe I gave her too much credit PatSeg Jan 2020 #54

Yes, look how long it took women to get the vote treestar Jan 2020 #142

Sometimes it takes a log of small steps PatSeg Jan 2020 #152

"Democrats can be too big of a tent"???? Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #21

Why we must have standards...her standards I suppose...no thanks...Honestly, I like her less and Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #33

it's not that odd. that debate has happened here a brazillion times. ie- choice mopinko Jan 2020 #47

What's The Matter, Isn't She Getting Enough Attention Lately Me. Jan 2020 #27

You hit the nail right on the head there. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #43

Bull OKNancy Jan 2020 #28

What makes a communist a communist? Huin Jan 2020 #155

If Bernie wants to both win and get things done as President this is obviously bad messaging BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #30

Bernie really doesn't have a record of getting things done though. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #46

Yeah..I said "if" BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #49

I know, but I couldn't resist. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #52

Thank you BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #56

That she would say something like that clearly means that Bernie is on board with it, IMO. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #165

Why don't you start your own party AOC...see how many join and support you. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #31

Be careful what you ask for. Nt lostnfound Jan 2020 #45

Not worried. MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #50

I am not worried either...they do more damage within the party as they are divisive. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #60

What good is she to the Democratic Party with such comments during a presidential primary and having Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #58

The country IS center left and so am I.. expanding the conversation is vital lostnfound Jan 2020 #208

Let her go ahead. We can direct resources to where they produce more results for society. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #166

But it's THIS country. She seems to be more in favor of disruption of the democratic party. dem4decades Jan 2020 #32

For comparison, Germany has 6 major parties: DetlefK Jan 2020 #34

Interesting.. VP Biden is an established leader in the Democratic Party.. soooooooo Peacetrain Jan 2020 #38

And Wawannabe Jan 2020 #78

She thinks the Dem party is too big of a tent, so let's make the Democratic party smaller? seaglass Jan 2020 #39

"Oh God", she said with a groan Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #48

Yes. This. Skidmore Jan 2020 #126

THIS. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #179

Thank you. betsuni Jan 2020 #183

Yes, THIS. +100 Duppers Jan 2020 #191

The sooner we get proportional representation, the better. nt redqueen Jan 2020 #55

She is laying out the reasons for a possible third-party run. Doodley Jan 2020 #59

Sounds like a dog whistle to encourage Democrats to vote third party. tritsofme Jan 2020 #61

She has just disenfranchised Biden and Hillary supporters by her misrepresentations and divisionary still_one Jan 2020 #67

Unwise Bayard Jan 2020 #68

This is MY Democratic Party. I've been supporting it for decades, have worked with it for decades... George II Jan 2020 #71

+++ still_one Jan 2020 #83

In any other country we wouldn't be held hostage by a mad man while we attack good people on our own onecaliberal Jan 2020 #77

Bingo! PatSeg Jan 2020 #82

Excellent response!!! still_one Jan 2020 #84

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #85

Welcome to DU LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #90

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #91

She can leave Renew Deal Jan 2020 #101

'immense star power'? A certain rw promoted notoriety for the general electorate - sure. empedocles Jan 2020 #103

Brighter Than A Thousand Suns dalton99a Jan 2020 #160

. empedocles Jan 2020 #185

A glib showboater, as always. RelativelyJones Jan 2020 #104

She should apologize for those comments, but would be surprized if she did still_one Jan 2020 #108

It'll never happen. Here's a measure of her attitude. Instead of letting a childish thing go.... George II Jan 2020 #110

Well would you look at that melman Jan 2020 #116

Thanks for that. BTW, I missed you, were you ill? George II Jan 2020 #117

Funny melman Jan 2020 #118

Who's accusing you of following them around? ehrnst Jan 2020 #143

Hey, you should be happy that I'm concerned about your well-being. After all we don't have M4A yet. George II Jan 2020 #171

har har melman Jan 2020 #182

Careful - Those pearls will break if clutched too hard... ehrnst Jan 2020 #190

Are you sure it's not a straw man? melman Jan 2020 #195

Lulz. You still respond when you have nothing to say. ehrnst Jan 2020 #196

Actually, I see the poster as campaigning FOR a democrat. Blue_true Jan 2020 #168

That's nice melman Jan 2020 #184

Welcome to America, Missy. But just so you know, even parliamentary systems COMPROMISE... Hekate Jan 2020 #111

Missy? melman Jan 2020 #112

I'm old. So shoot me, melman. Or just address my point about multi-party compromises. Hekate Jan 2020 #113

That gives you a license to be sexist? melman Jan 2020 #114

Oh melman, melman... Hekate Jan 2020 #120

Okay melman Jan 2020 #123

One last chance to address my point about compromise... Hekate Jan 2020 #124

That's what I thought melman Jan 2020 #125

Now it's the "I know you are, but what am I?" mode of reposte. ehrnst Jan 2020 #145

(....looking up the definition of "reposte") George II Jan 2020 #150

..... ehrnst Jan 2020 #151

... sheshe2 Jan 2020 #172

Here's a tip for you melman Jan 2020 #181

Were you expecting a serious response?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #154

When one is retreating in defense, one doesn't want any response, let alone a serious one. ehrnst Jan 2020 #189

.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #193

That's a rather silly, insulting strawman. ehrnst Jan 2020 #144

While I'm not supporting Biden in the primaries, AOC has attacked a Democrat in a disgusting way Polybius Jan 2020 #122

AOC should slow her roll a bit. BjornSig Jan 2020 #127

Her facts are on the money and she is one of the few who make a point of ... marble falls Jan 2020 #167

Why did NyMag run this now? Why not the week of Dec 23? Mersky Jan 2020 #130

But they are in this country treestar Jan 2020 #132

She wants to form or run in another party ebbie15644 Jan 2020 #156

Keep talking like that AOC, and you'll be out of a career. kstewart33 Jan 2020 #157

Working on committees is apparently something that keeps her from doing what she would rather ehrnst Jan 2020 #192

Maybe she should ask "Auntie Maxine" what it was like being a newbie 30 years ago... Hekate Jan 2020 #199

..... ehrnst Jan 2020 #200

Oh, so Nancy and other powerful Dems are conspiring against her. kstewart33 Jan 2020 #204

I think she's right hurl Jan 2020 #158

She thinks Bernie turned Vermont blue single-handedly. betsuni Jan 2020 #159

AOC is free to start her own political party and give up the resources and infrastructure of ours. n Blue_true Jan 2020 #161

Some big talk from AOC jrandom421 Jan 2020 #164

She thinks she always knows best. Attacking Democrats is never a good strategy ask Sanders. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #176

This does Joe a huge favor. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2020 #180

Joe does not want to be tied to the squad in the general election Gothmog Jan 2020 #187

Ita a true statement. Joe941 Jan 2020 #194

Yes melman Jan 2020 #198

Just like her mentor, using the Democratic Party to further their political ambitions. still_one Jan 2020 #201

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #202

Dumb... Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #203

AOC may have helped Joe win the nomination Gothmog Jan 2020 #206