Democratic Primaries

TreasonousBastard

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94. Bullshit. Actual elections, not polls or opinions, have shown that actual voters...

Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:02 AM

Mar 2019

don't really like extremes on either side. For some reasons, right wingers tend to get a little more support at the polls than lefties, but the truth is that neither wild side is in it for the win.

In '16, both Trump and Bernie were experiments bringing in outsiders because the "establishment" seems to have lost relevance. Obviously didn't work too well with Trump and piss and moan all you want about how Bernie didn't get a fair shake, but Hillary still won the nomination and the popular vote in the general. Trump was a failed anti-etablishment vote himself who became the biggest fuckup ever in the White House. Polls be damned, does anyone really believe Trump could win again facing a serious candidate?

Yes, getting young and new voters is important, but who really believes Bernie is any better at it than Harris or Butti-whatever?

One of our strongest contingents is black women, and why shouldn't we believe that with Bernie we risk losing more of them than we get in new blood?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why I'm supporting the wildest, most radical left wing candidate: [View all] rgbecker Feb 2019 OP

Sanders is my second choice Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #1

Yang seems radical, but without any political (Actual election) experience may be a long shot. rgbecker Feb 2019 #5

If you take a few minutes to look at his web page Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #12

"May be?" BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #91

I like Yang too... though I look forward to having you come aboard the Bernie train InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #101

This is from 2016- lots of things have changed OKNancy Feb 2019 #2

I can't wait to see if Kamala can ring the bells like Bernie. rgbecker Feb 2019 #7

Well. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #52

A lot of Bernie voters end up with sour grapes forklift Mar 2019 #67

He is a front runner Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #69

He indeed is -- on DailyKOS forklift Mar 2019 #70

He is the one to beat Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #72

mmmmmmmkay nt forklift Mar 2019 #73

Based on past elections, not so much. 12% of Sander-tRump voters in 2016 vs 24% Hillary-McCain CentralMass Jul 2019 #151

How do you get away with calling Democrats "corporate candidates"? CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #3

As I recall, 'corporate democrat', was a divisive russian troll tag empedocles Feb 2019 #4

I think it was "She's not likeable". rgbecker Feb 2019 #9

One is accurate. The other is not. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #90

Honestly I find those dying without health care to be soooooo tiresome ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #6

Too bad the Democrat who brought healthcare to millions of poor children... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #8

and to top it off, just enough self-identifed progressives refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Mar 2019 #51

I'm sure it sticks in your craw, as much as it does in mine... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #53

Yes. The irony, or perhaps hypocrisy is all too obvious still_one Mar 2019 #63

A form of Medicare for All has been "common" amongst Democrats since 1943. George II Feb 2019 #20

Medicare didn't exist until 1966 Omaha Steve Mar 2019 #46

I realize that, but a "form" of Medicare for all has been proposed since 1943. George II Mar 2019 #47

The proposals for universal medical coverage started during the Truman Blue_true Mar 2019 #48

Answer for deaths? What about the lives saved while we waited for Sanders to save us? dawg day Mar 2019 #60

We have a candidate whose "gaffe" was to whisper "This is a BFD" to his president... Hekate Jun 2019 #147

For one of course I supported Clinton in 2016 ZeroSomeBrains Jun 2019 #148

Actually never called any Democrat a "Corporate candidate". rgbecker Feb 2019 #10

You have just succeeded in doubling down on the offense. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #11

There is a cold harsh reality to money and politics these days, CentralMass Jul 2019 #152

You really should stop now leftofcool Feb 2019 #22

Saying any MFM008 Mar 2019 #65

They called themselves that before deciding on the name Democratic leadership Conference. (DLC) hedda_foil Feb 2019 #13

And then there's the Third Way and the coffee shop guy! rgbecker Feb 2019 #15

That's them alright! hedda_foil Feb 2019 #23

No. Never. Nt. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #14

Not. Very. Helpful. rgbecker Feb 2019 #16

Well he just appointed a never Clinton Stein supporter. Adrahil Feb 2019 #17

Can't be detailed here. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #18

Maybe not here but it is all out there in other places leftofcool Feb 2019 #21

I think it's entirely possible that Sanders himself doesn't think he can win. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Kajun Gal Feb 2019 #29

Would be against the rules to make such a statement. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #30

Thank you. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #55

Even if he becomes the nominee? If so, then I agree that isn't helpful at all. Sapient Donkey May 2019 #132

Out of respect for the terms of service, Amimnoch May 2019 #133

Well, I think you basically did answer. Sapient Donkey May 2019 #134

No thanks leftofcool Feb 2019 #19

LOL - I thought you were going to say Beto O'Rourke Chemisse Feb 2019 #25

I'm eagar to hear more from Beto. His talk about "Taking a knee" was moving for me. rgbecker Feb 2019 #34

Biden-Harris louis c Feb 2019 #26

Good Post Horizens Feb 2019 #27

Right, and it's damned early to 'think' at all. elleng Feb 2019 #28

Wouldn't it be great if we could pick a team of President and Vice President? rgbecker Feb 2019 #35

Bernie needs to balance his ticket by picking a life long Democrat louis c Feb 2019 #42

46% in the Florida exit poll said Andrew Gillum was too liberal for the state Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #31

I liked Gillum radical noodle Mar 2019 #61

I strongly disagree with this approach Gothmog Feb 2019 #32

Has sanders released his tax returns? Gothmog Feb 2019 #33

I wonder if after Bernie releases his tax return people will have anything to bitch about. rgbecker Feb 2019 #36

He promised the tax returns last time and he never came though. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #38

You left out "He's too Grumpy!" rgbecker Feb 2019 #40

Goes without saying. LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #41

It so sad you aren't here to discuss Bernie's taxes. You came close though, you almost made it Autumn Apr 2019 #112

I live in one of the Super Tuesday states susanr516 Mar 2019 #62

Wanting him to release his tax returns is entirely reasonable. Eko Mar 2019 #78

I agree, along with the other 4 or 5 running who have not released theirs yet. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #103

Well then Eko Apr 2019 #104

Yes, we do. I am getting tired of Bernie not showing his taxes. I still support him, but vsrazdem Apr 2019 #105

He will at some point I think. Eko Apr 2019 #106

I agree, but the sooner the better. Primaries are not birthday parties, so there is bound to be vsrazdem Apr 2019 #107

News said he just released them. Eko Apr 2019 #108

Thank goodness. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #109

"Which Candidate will stimulate the non voters to suddenly take interest?" brooklynite Feb 2019 #37

Don't bother asking what I think if you are just gonna tell me what not to say. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #39

Bingo Bingo Bingo! sheshe2 Mar 2019 #56

A campaign focused on turning out those who never turn out... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #43

Charlie Cook-The 2020 Path Democrats Shouldn't Take Gothmog Mar 2019 #44

If the Democrats hand the GOP the Socialist label to hammer on we are in trouble. rgbecker Mar 2019 #45

Good point. But we have no leader and no media savvy. Repetitious propaganda Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #50

Here's what matters..what state those "none of the above" are from. If they are from WI MI and PA Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #49

I've said it a thousand times. Scruffy1 Mar 2019 #54

Bernie has the 30 and under vote on lockdown workinclasszero Mar 2019 #57

Nah. Beto is going to take all the youth vote. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #64

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #58

The gettable votes are in the middle brooklynite Mar 2019 #59

Do you think Clinton voters wouldn't support Sanders over Trump? rgbecker Mar 2019 #75

I was using that as an analogy... brooklynite Mar 2019 #81

Another pro-Bernie screed forklift Mar 2019 #66

Where are those tax returns ? forklift Mar 2019 #68

Why hold back? rgbecker Mar 2019 #76

... forklift Mar 2019 #77

This! TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #71

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #74

Guessing it's because you 're searching for a candidate who has Hortensis Mar 2019 #79

I see you are "Undecided". rgbecker Mar 2019 #80

Biden / Hickenlooper / Bullock brooklynite Mar 2019 #82

Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left Gothmog Mar 2019 #83

I'm excited about Beto too! The picture shows him younger than I thought, though. rgbecker Mar 2019 #84

If the economy is strong, trump can win Gothmog Mar 2019 #85

Pakman is saying exactly what I'm saying. rgbecker Mar 2019 #86

sanders is not electable and would depress turnout Gothmog Mar 2019 #87

I talked about "infighting" in another post..So, the proof is right here right now. Stuart G Mar 2019 #88

Donald Trump has a plan to win re-election with just 45 percent of the vote Gothmog Mar 2019 #89

I guess I'm fucking wired differently or something Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #92

I'm sure most on the DU will vote and always have. rgbecker Mar 2019 #93

Bullshit. Actual elections, not polls or opinions, have shown that actual voters... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #94

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #95

I'm dying here waiting to see who you come out for. rgbecker Apr 2019 #96

Electability is my main criterion Gothmog Apr 2019 #97

Messina Says Sanders Can't Beat Trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #114

So Biden then???? rgbecker Apr 2019 #115

Harris, Booker and Beto are also viable Gothmog Apr 2019 #116

If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #98

I supported him last time artislife Apr 2019 #99

According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #100

Thanks for posting this article. rgbecker Apr 2019 #102

According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #110

Trump is chomping at the bits BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #111

trump Shows That He Is Totally Terrified Of Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #113

Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #117

I guess your worries are over. He doesn't have a chance of being the Democratic Candidate. rgbecker Apr 2019 #118

Candidates in Bernie Sanders's polling position mostly lost. Gothmog Apr 2019 #119

I have a good number of candidates who I am considering Gothmog Apr 2019 #120

Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #121

I'd like to see some link indicating that rgbecker Apr 2019 #122

The Atlantic article is from the sanders campaign Gothmog Apr 2019 #123

Sorry, doesn't even mention "hope". rgbecker Apr 2019 #124

Nate is right that there is no way for sanders to get majority of delegates with 30% of primary vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #125

The choice is Woke or Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #126

Could be the issue will change as the GOP comtemplates Trump's chances in 2020. rgbecker Apr 2019 #127

Washington Post-Opinion: If the economy keeps its momentum, 2020 will be Trump's to lose Gothmog May 2019 #128

Gas will be $4 a gallon in 2020. rgbecker May 2019 #129

Very interesting post. I think it's the best argument I've heard for Bernie Sanders yet. mtnsnake May 2019 #130

Thanks mtnsnake! rgbecker May 2019 #131

Most Believe Socialism Is Not American Gothmog May 2019 #135

Thanks for the encouragement. rgbecker May 2019 #136

Washington Post-Opinion: Voters aren't playing along with the media narrative Gothmog May 2019 #137

Gallop-Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President Gothmog May 2019 #138

I guess Bernie will have to settle for 47%! rgbecker May 2019 #139

The GOP has large oppo file and would use this and other material if sanders was nominee Gothmog May 2019 #140

Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed Gothmog May 2019 #141

New CNN poll: A majority of Americans say they think President Trump is going to win a second term Gothmog Jun 2019 #142

You might enjoy this: rgbecker Jun 2019 #143

From the Washington Post-The GOP is giddy about running against a socialist Gothmog Jun 2019 #144

It's all over for Bernie nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #145

New poll: Capitalism is more popular than socialism Gothmog Jun 2019 #146

He was a deadbeat dad who supported Communist dictators; he would be shredded in a general election LongtimeAZDem Jun 2019 #149

Analysis How Trump wins in 2020: Americans see his opponent as a "socialist" Gothmog Jul 2019 #150

Why Elizabeth Warren Is Trump's Weakest Opponent Gothmog Aug 2019 #153