Democratic Primaries

Demsrule86

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71. That is not true...Biden wanted a different bill...Biden and the rest were lied to just like we were

Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:19 PM

Jan 2020

"That September, Bush also finally asked Congress for a war authorization. While the president backed an expansive resolution in the House, Biden and fellow Foreign Relations Committee member Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) put forward their own rival resolution in the Senate that scaled back some of the House version’s more alarming language and stressed the themes Biden had been articulating for the better part of a year. The Senate resolution limited the use of force to Iraq, made dismantling WMDs the primary justification for war, and stressed the importance of international support (though reserving the right to act unilaterally if the UN Security Council moved' too slowly)."

Gephardt made a deal and got the house bill through with some adjustment... Hind sight is 2020. I would prefer to have Biden sitting in the White House than any other candidate...he is experienced and understands the pitfalls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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With conflict between the U.S. and Iran escalating, Biden's support of the Iraq war is a liability. [View all] HerbChestnut Jan 2020 OP

Hoo boy! George II Jan 2020 #1

Come on, George. You're a smart guy. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #6

Yes, I am a smart guy. I know what this is all about: George II Jan 2020 #8

That's not what this is about. Sorry. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #10

And yet you don't even mention your candidate in that OP. I get that, too. George II Jan 2020 #12

Because we have 13(14?) other candidates... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #35

Sanders was in the house and he doesn't have clean hands on this as you know...been posted here Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #39

You could have easily said in your title, "With conflict between the U.S. and Iran escalating... George II Jan 2020 #43

Are you trying to lecture me on positive campaigning? HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #55

I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm just pointing out, since you decided to single out Biden.... George II Jan 2020 #62

If this were a board where rational conversation occurred, I might agree with you. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #63

Dontcha know?! Joe can do no wrong...only Bernie must be condemned for even the SLIGHTEST infraction InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #83

But if he is the nominee you will not only vote for him but loudly support him, right? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #77

Obviously. Vote blue no matter who. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #78

Concerned are you, so I have no reason to be in general? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #79

Ever see so much bullshit in your life? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #76

It'll be fine. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #2

Only with those who won't vote for a Democrat anyway: right-wing thugs and left-wing puritans LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #3

Bernie dropping in the polls again, is he? Squinch Jan 2020 #4

Bazinga! George II Jan 2020 #5

ROFL :) Sloumeau Jan 2020 #7

I hear Warren is back leading him in poll-never could figure out why the left would choose Sanders Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #41

If you remember, Warren was actually leading Sanders in national polling until... Sloumeau Jan 2020 #44

he sure is so Bernie Bros go on the attack against Biden. trueblue2007 Jan 2020 #14

I don't have a problem with Bernie. I'll happily vote for him if he's the candidate. But I am Squinch Jan 2020 #16

Bernie says he is the only candidate who voted to oppose the Iraq war. Is this a liability for beastie boy Jan 2020 #9

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #13

That's right. And no one but Bernie was there to vote against it beastie boy Jan 2020 #17

The Iraq war started in 2003, so that's 17 years. And you may have heard that Iraq is in the news... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #20

... LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #22

Is there a video of him giving speeches on the Senate floor in support of the invasion? I doubt it. George II Jan 2020 #21

Couldn't find video, but there's always Senate records! HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #48

what year was this again? samnsara Jan 2020 #32

Bernie boomer_wv Jan 2020 #11

Yep. redqueen Jan 2020 #19

And it should be yellowwoodII Jan 2020 #15

It is not a liability NYMinute Jan 2020 #18

My question is, *should* they care? HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #25

good lord talk about rehashing old shit... samnsara Jan 2020 #33

The focus is on getting rid of Trump. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #23

Quite clearly that is not the focus of some and we know who they are. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #73

I don't think it's a political liability. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #24

Doesn't matter, if Biden is the nominee you support him in order to get rid of Trump. Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #26

If it's not a liability, why does Joe keep repeating he was against it from the start MichMan Jan 2020 #27

Do you really believe Senator vote for only things they are for? Maybe he felt unity after we were Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #53

Then he ought to just say that MichMan Jan 2020 #65

Biden's vote will play very well. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #28

Sure you're on the right forum? HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #29

I'd ask you the same question. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #34

John Kerry lost his election. Obama hammered HRC on her Iraq war vote during the 2008 primary. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #36

And both were named Sec. of State by Barack Obama. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #37

Oh and HRC also lost her GE against Trump. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #38

After beating Bernie Sanders by 4 million votes, since you bring it up. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #42

Bazinga! George II Jan 2020 #60

And Bernie lost to HRC by millions redstateblues Jan 2020 #103

Sen. Kennedy voted for it too... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #46

I suggest you you check out Morning Consult about the Democratic Party... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #50

Oh gosh. This again. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #30

Amen, LakeArenal :) eom Sloumeau Jan 2020 #49

so because of this you let trump win?? samnsara Jan 2020 #31

Are you saying that none of our other candidates can beat him? HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #40

Hell yes...Biden is the only one who can win the EC in the states we need to win. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #47

Well, we'll have to disagree on that one then. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #51

President Biden...it sounds so reassuring ...get used to it my friend...hehe Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #58

Glass Houses...my friend. He voted to take us to war in Afghanistan...a terrible mistake...should Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #45

Totally different. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #61

Bernie says she was right and he was wrong...that it was a mistake...however ... war is war...I Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #70

Oh, it's very different from Biden's situation. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #92

How about this? ehrnst Jan 2020 #91

When push came to shove, Bernie did not support military action in Iraq. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #93

I simply pointed out his votes for military action in Iraq. ehrnst Jan 2020 #94

Good catch...I forgot this if I ever knew about it. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #97

Distinctions lacking relevant differences are not differences. Just pretense. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #95

The liability is Bernie Sanders hiring Jill Stein supporter Briana Joy Gray, and Hillary hating Davi still_one Jan 2020 #52

It bothers me that he worked on a resolution to bring more democratic senators Politicub Jan 2020 #54

Yup, for sure. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #56

This misrepresents why Biden, Kerry, and HRC and other Democratic Senators supported the resolution. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #57

Avoid a war by authorizing military force... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #66

Perhaps not to you. It certainly does to the foreign policy experts in our party The Valley Below Jan 2020 #67

smh... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #68

Right back at you. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #69

That is not true...Biden wanted a different bill...Biden and the rest were lied to just like we were Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #71

Joe Biden Is The Only Candidate Fit To Contest Trump In What Is Now A Foreign Policy Election Gothmog Jan 2020 #59

Biden's Iraq war vote and bankruptcy bill were the deal breakers for me Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #64

So? He is he is the front runner so I guess you are in the minority...and let me tell you. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #74

I'm in the minority? Biden voters are in the minority... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #75

So far...Biden beats all the candidates...after months of attacks like this one and by media... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #96

NEWS FLASH..this Iraq war thing...IS BAKED IN. Fucking YAWN already. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #72

I remember it so well: Joe Biden was the one, the only, Democratic who so voted. Unforgivable. Hekate Jan 2020 #80

He's the only one currently running to who did, so... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #81

Awwww. Thanks for your input though. Hekate Jan 2020 #82

And the vote was: Want an incompetently-managed clusterfuck of an endless war in Iraq? Yes or No. betsuni Jan 2020 #88

I think that's possible. David__77 Jan 2020 #84

(IMHO) I don't really think this has much effect stopdiggin Jan 2020 #85

Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and still won the primary. Can Joe Biden? Gothmog Jan 2020 #86

TY! Duppers Jan 2020 #89

This attack on Joe Biden is so very weak and stale Gothmog Jan 2020 #99

I love Bernie but support Biden Duppers Jan 2020 #100

It takes some complex mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion. ahoysrcsm Jan 2020 #87

There is another Candidate who has had problematic Iraq votes ehrnst Jan 2020 #90

What carries 9 tons of bombs and costs $1.5 trillion? Bernie's favorite weapon, the F-35 LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #98

So much for that... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #101

The problem is that while Iran may (or may not) stand down The Valley Below Jan 2020 #102