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In reply to the discussion: With conflict between the U.S. and Iran escalating, Biden's support of the Iraq war is a liability. [View all]Gothmog
(179,571 posts)86. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and still won the primary. Can Joe Biden?
This silly attack did not work against Clinton. Why does sanders think that it will work now? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/08/hillary-clinton-voted-iraq-war-still-won-primary-can-joe-biden/
In months of debates, interviews and campaign appearances in the 2016 primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was unable to take down Hillary Clinton by attacking her vote for the Iraq War. Clinton was clearly the more hawkish of the two contenders, defending President Barack Obamas handling of the war against the Islamic State and calling for a responsible drawdown in Afghanistan. Despite the Democratic Partys staunch opposition to the war, Clinton won the nomination. She acknowledged the vote was a mistake, but also truthfully recounted that she understood President George W. Bush to be using the resolution to get the United Nations to buy into a joint resolution.
In 2020, Sanders is now making the same argument against former vice president Joe Biden, namely that his Iraq War vote is disqualifying. As Clinton did, Biden may point to his overall record on foreign policy under Obama (e.g., opposing the surge in Afghanistan or using sanctions and diplomacy to get the Iran nuclear deal). He also may attack Sanders as vulnerable that is to say unelectable because President Trump will easily tag him as weak on national security.....
In any case, Sanderss critique might get him only so far, even with progressive voters. Biden plainly is skeptical of Trumps rush to war now and fought in the Obama administration to stop further troop commitments. At worst (from the perspective of the average Democratic primary voter), one could say he was too trusting of Bush, became a war critic (although not immediately), showed his commitment to thoughtful internationalism under Obama and now seems fully capable of taking down Trump on his foreign policy blunders.
Voters are remarkably willing to judge candidates on what they are saying now as long as the candidate appears trustworthy and confident. Many candidates, to the frustration of opponents and/or media critics, have gotten away with changes in position or with past missteps. Voters tend to look at candidates in the present, assess their sincerity and demeanor, and then decide if they can trust them to do the right thing when the candidate is the decision-maker.
In 2020, Sanders is now making the same argument against former vice president Joe Biden, namely that his Iraq War vote is disqualifying. As Clinton did, Biden may point to his overall record on foreign policy under Obama (e.g., opposing the surge in Afghanistan or using sanctions and diplomacy to get the Iran nuclear deal). He also may attack Sanders as vulnerable that is to say unelectable because President Trump will easily tag him as weak on national security.....
In any case, Sanderss critique might get him only so far, even with progressive voters. Biden plainly is skeptical of Trumps rush to war now and fought in the Obama administration to stop further troop commitments. At worst (from the perspective of the average Democratic primary voter), one could say he was too trusting of Bush, became a war critic (although not immediately), showed his commitment to thoughtful internationalism under Obama and now seems fully capable of taking down Trump on his foreign policy blunders.
Voters are remarkably willing to judge candidates on what they are saying now as long as the candidate appears trustworthy and confident. Many candidates, to the frustration of opponents and/or media critics, have gotten away with changes in position or with past missteps. Voters tend to look at candidates in the present, assess their sincerity and demeanor, and then decide if they can trust them to do the right thing when the candidate is the decision-maker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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With conflict between the U.S. and Iran escalating, Biden's support of the Iraq war is a liability. [View all]
HerbChestnut
Jan 2020
OP
Sanders was in the house and he doesn't have clean hands on this as you know...been posted here
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#39
You could have easily said in your title, "With conflict between the U.S. and Iran escalating...
George II
Jan 2020
#43
I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm just pointing out, since you decided to single out Biden....
George II
Jan 2020
#62
If this were a board where rational conversation occurred, I might agree with you.
HerbChestnut
Jan 2020
#63
Dontcha know?! Joe can do no wrong...only Bernie must be condemned for even the SLIGHTEST infraction
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#83
But if he is the nominee you will not only vote for him but loudly support him, right?
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2020
#77
Only with those who won't vote for a Democrat anyway: right-wing thugs and left-wing puritans
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2020
#3
I hear Warren is back leading him in poll-never could figure out why the left would choose Sanders
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#41
If you remember, Warren was actually leading Sanders in national polling until...
Sloumeau
Jan 2020
#44
I don't have a problem with Bernie. I'll happily vote for him if he's the candidate. But I am
Squinch
Jan 2020
#16
Bernie says he is the only candidate who voted to oppose the Iraq war. Is this a liability for
beastie boy
Jan 2020
#9
The Iraq war started in 2003, so that's 17 years. And you may have heard that Iraq is in the news...
HerbChestnut
Jan 2020
#20
Is there a video of him giving speeches on the Senate floor in support of the invasion? I doubt it.
George II
Jan 2020
#21
Quite clearly that is not the focus of some and we know who they are. nt
UniteFightBack
Jan 2020
#73
Doesn't matter, if Biden is the nominee you support him in order to get rid of Trump.
Thomas Hurt
Jan 2020
#26
If it's not a liability, why does Joe keep repeating he was against it from the start
MichMan
Jan 2020
#27
Do you really believe Senator vote for only things they are for? Maybe he felt unity after we were
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#53
John Kerry lost his election. Obama hammered HRC on her Iraq war vote during the 2008 primary.
HerbChestnut
Jan 2020
#36
After beating Bernie Sanders by 4 million votes, since you bring it up.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#42
Hell yes...Biden is the only one who can win the EC in the states we need to win.
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#47
President Biden...it sounds so reassuring ...get used to it my friend...hehe
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#58
Glass Houses...my friend. He voted to take us to war in Afghanistan...a terrible mistake...should
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#45
Bernie says she was right and he was wrong...that it was a mistake...however ... war is war...I
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#70
Distinctions lacking relevant differences are not differences. Just pretense.
LanternWaste
Jan 2020
#95
The liability is Bernie Sanders hiring Jill Stein supporter Briana Joy Gray, and Hillary hating Davi
still_one
Jan 2020
#52
It bothers me that he worked on a resolution to bring more democratic senators
Politicub
Jan 2020
#54
This misrepresents why Biden, Kerry, and HRC and other Democratic Senators supported the resolution.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#57
Perhaps not to you. It certainly does to the foreign policy experts in our party
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#67
That is not true...Biden wanted a different bill...Biden and the rest were lied to just like we were
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#71
Joe Biden Is The Only Candidate Fit To Contest Trump In What Is Now A Foreign Policy Election
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#59
Biden's Iraq war vote and bankruptcy bill were the deal breakers for me
Fiendish Thingy
Jan 2020
#64
So? He is he is the front runner so I guess you are in the minority...and let me tell you.
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#74
So far...Biden beats all the candidates...after months of attacks like this one and by media...
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#96
I remember it so well: Joe Biden was the one, the only, Democratic who so voted. Unforgivable.
Hekate
Jan 2020
#80
And the vote was: Want an incompetently-managed clusterfuck of an endless war in Iraq? Yes or No.
betsuni
Jan 2020
#88
Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war and still won the primary. Can Joe Biden?
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#86
What carries 9 tons of bombs and costs $1.5 trillion? Bernie's favorite weapon, the F-35
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2020
#98