Democratic Primaries

Algernon Moncrieff

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125. Stop with the "Real Democrat" nonsense

Fri Jan 10, 2020, 01:56 AM

Jan 2020

Connor Lamb and AOC are both real Democrats. That's just how we are rolling these days. Of course, the party of Hubert Humphry was also the party of George Wallace. Go figure?

We've already gone down this road enough: HRC was a Goldwater girl; Warren was an HW Bush Republican; Sanders is/was I-VT; Yang & Steyer are Billionaires; Bloomberg is a Billionaire who ran for NYC mayor as a Republican. Mayor Pete's qualification is Mayor of a small Midwestern town. Amy Klobuchar has a reputation as the world's worst boss. Biden is far from perfect: he's a gaffe machine who is generally too touchy-feely and got nailed three decades ago for plagiarism. Yet all of these candidates, and their respective supporters here at DU, agree that we need a more just and equitable society with a focus on affordable healthcare and taxing the wealthy. Bernie Sanders isn't the enemy; Elizabeth Warren isn't the enemy; Andrew Yang and Tom Steyer aren't the enemies, and Joe Biden isn't the enemy. Our enemies are Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Devin Nunes, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Jim Jordan, and a host of others dedicated to the proposition that corporate wealth, gun rights, and theocracy are what America is about.

Fighting battles leftover from 2016 is just stupid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Warren supporters need to know that their vote for Warren could wind up being a vote for Bernie. [View all] Gothmog Jan 2020 OP

That is exactly the plan...all this Sanders and Warren team shit...it is a deal breaker for me... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #1

I doubt that this plan will work Gothmog Jan 2020 #2

Yes. Warren is no more Sanders than Biden is. Hortensis Jan 2020 #32

Get back to the issues people. DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #126

You totally misunderstand. CHARACTER is huge. Hortensis Jan 2020 #128

Yep empedocles Jan 2020 #136

So we all totally misunderstand? brutus smith Jan 2020 #138

I was glad DemocracyMouse realizes we're in a giant Hortensis Jan 2020 #141

Democrats are not "fighting for ... the rich" and "the monopolists." betsuni Jan 2020 #129

Very well said DemocracyMouse LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #179

I don't think it will work either...one son and one daughter supported Warren but have switched to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #80

My kids are hard core democrats Gothmog Jan 2020 #83

Mine too...in fact my daughters boyfriend who didn't vote often now does as does my son's wife and Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #84

I haven't thought that far ahead regarding who Hortensis Jan 2020 #218

I predict that if we keep making this about 2016, we will all lose Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #3

+1 redqueen Jan 2020 #6

Sorry, I will never get over 16 and I don't think Sanders helped Clinton in the General enough. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #82

At this point, whats done is done as far as 2016 Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #107

It is not done. It will live on and on with bad policy , a right wing Scotus Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #142

There are a significant number of real democrats with good memories Gothmog Jan 2020 #123

Stop with the "Real Democrat" nonsense Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #125

Democrats vote for the nominee. Already you hear from justice Democrats Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #144

I would/will/do expect that everyone here will vote for the nominee in the GE Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2020 #231

THIS. BlueWI Jan 2020 #223

Wishing this post could be pinned to the top of this forum. JudyM Jan 2020 #232

I agree. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #143

"I will never get over 16" brutus smith Jan 2020 #139

But I will vote for the nominee even if it is Sanders in the general. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #145

I would also add...that I hold Warren completely blameless for the 2016 general. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #162

+1,000,000 Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #121

Really, so you don't think having a brokered convention and taking two candidates delegates and Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #160

I'm supporting Warren but I do like what Steyer has to say and I agree with your assessment of CTyankee Jan 2020 #190

I think the one with greater potential is... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #4

huh? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #64

I like Warren. But I dont think she can win the states we need to win in Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #146

I am a Warren supporter BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #180

If your camp REALLY cared it wouldn't have attacked Warren for 3mths as it laid off blm Jan 2020 #5

+1. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #14

This! yuiyoshida Jan 2020 #28

Thank you. kag Jan 2020 #77

This. n/t ms liberty Jan 2020 #133

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #7

Sharing a tweet from some random instead of linking directly to the intercept? redqueen Jan 2020 #8

She seems nice... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #75

Reminder: The primary belongs to us. Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #9

I don't agree with that assessment, and I sure wouldn't follow the analysis of the Intercept still_one Jan 2020 #10

As a Warren supporter, I thank you. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #110

I don't know how old your son is but hatred is a learned response. Autumn Jan 2020 #11

His sister was called the c-word and cursed at by sanders delegates at the national convention Gothmog Jan 2020 #15

I'm sure you have video right? You should spread that video far and wide. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #17

I was at the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2020 #19

Like I said. Post the video. Sorry, but I can't take your word for it without proof. Autumn Jan 2020 #24

I was there and I saw what happen Gothmog Jan 2020 #25

Wow, you can't possibly be telling the truth because you didn't get a video of it.... George II Jan 2020 #29

I was yelled at and called names by sanders delegates Gothmog Jan 2020 #45

And when the media does dare vet or fact check, they are swarmed as being "corporatist tools" ehrnst Jan 2020 #69

Thanks for making my point George. That video is obviously fake, a half blind person can Autumn Jan 2020 #50

You didn't watch the video, just the opening still. It's about 7 minutes long, showing Lewis... George II Jan 2020 #58

DON'T GO BRINGING FACTS INTO THIS!!! ehrnst Jan 2020 #68

I was very amused by this also Gothmog Jan 2020 #81

"There are none so blind as those who will not see" George II Jan 2020 #93

There were lots of news stories about Sanders supporters behaving badly at the 2016 DNC. Here's one highplainsdem Jan 2020 #90

Bernie's supporters even disrupted HIM when he said Trump must be defeated, Hillary elected! betsuni Jan 2020 #100

Have you watched the video yet? George II Jan 2020 #91

That's Full Frontal with Samantha Bee. betsuni Jan 2020 #105

OMG these Bernie or Bust people are just like deplorables only they use bigger words. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #99

I suddenly remembered the "fart-in" they wanted to do. betsuni Jan 2020 #101

If you want video, you will see if sanders is ever deemed to be a viable candidate in the real world Autumn Jan 2020 #33

sanders is not considered viable in the real world and so there is no need to vet him Gothmog Jan 2020 #43

FYI delegates are selected at the state level, not by the candidate. No vetting by the candidate Autumn Jan 2020 #44

You are totally and completely wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #55

I have heard about that behavior from more than one person who was present. ehrnst Jan 2020 #62

Pledged delegates are selected through a series of individual state caucuses and primary elections. Autumn Jan 2020 #67

You are wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #78

Well, in caucuses the people don't vote. A small group does all the deciding for the population. ehrnst Jan 2020 #57

I know how the process works in Texas and I have read up on other states Gothmog Jan 2020 #118

Nuts & Bolts: Attending a convention can be expensive. Here's how to afford it Gothmog Jan 2020 #235

So much for "ending the conversation right here." ehrnst Jan 2020 #74

Really? George II Jan 2020 #73

Someone is calling you a liar, I guess. ehrnst Jan 2020 #52

Calling a lawyer names is a waste of time and effort Gothmog Jan 2020 #56

Another form of "shoot the messenger." ehrnst Jan 2020 #60

I was amused by this Gothmog Jan 2020 #79

Not every truthful statement has a video NYMinute Jan 2020 #48

Nope, not going to delete it. All I said is if he has video of that he should post it far and wide. Autumn Jan 2020 #54

Of course you won't delete it. NYMinute Jan 2020 #72

My belief is that you called the person a liar for recounting a personal experience. Blue_true Jan 2020 #92

I am not going to refight the 2016 primary Gothmog Jan 2020 #119

I am not trying to refight the 2016 prinary either. Blue_true Jan 2020 #224

Poor Conduct? ForEverGlades Jan 2020 #237

So booing Congressman John Lewis was good conduct? Gothmog Jan 2020 #238

Anyone at the convention could tell pretty much the same thing. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #85

The poster has recounted that event several times here on DU. Blue_true Jan 2020 #86

I can't speak to personal insults by Sanders supporters... brooklynite Jan 2020 #87

I can't speak to personal insults by Sanders supporters either. When we caucused I saw Autumn Jan 2020 #89

Chicago, 1968 comes to mind. mountain grammy Jan 2020 #114

So true. JudyM Jan 2020 #16

Goodness me, Gothmog must have really hit a nerve... ehrnst Jan 2020 #37

It did enough for you to respond. Autumn Jan 2020 #40

I'm talking about your attempt to needle Gothmog via their attacking their son ehrnst Jan 2020 #42

Could you please post some images of your credentials in neurobiology? lapucelle Jan 2020 #130

Yes. What happened to "Sorry, but I can't take your word for it without proof"? betsuni Jan 2020 #134

"Videos or it didn't happen" is a form of entitled gaslighting. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #161

I never said I had any credentials in neurobiology so you're out of luck on that. But kudos for Autumn Jan 2020 #167

Those who know little to little to nothing about a specialized topic lapucelle Jan 2020 #172

That would shut up just about everyone here wouldn't it. Autumn Jan 2020 #173

I don't think it would, at least not for me or like-situated allies. lapucelle Jan 2020 #182

Now listening to: Cary Jan 2020 #221

Wow. So vote Biden because he is mostly likely to beat Trump and vote Biden because might Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #12

The Intercept? progressoid Jan 2020 #13

In order for a publication to be an irrelevant fringe publication it must first Autumn Jan 2020 #22

Oh, sure. That makes sense. progressoid Jan 2020 #26

The OP was commenting on an Intercept article's claims, not promoting it. ehrnst Jan 2020 #46

Interesting to see Biden supporters embracing The Intercept BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #102

I think when those are posted it's called a right wing rag. redqueen Jan 2020 #206

Works for me marlakay Jan 2020 #18

I'm fine with either of them being our candidate. So...oh well. n/t TCJ70 Jan 2020 #20

Seems a little far-fetched to me hurl Jan 2020 #21

Warren is already on the hot seat with Clinton supporters like me NYMinute Jan 2020 #23

Not with me. Warren was a great campaign surrogate for HRC blm Jan 2020 #34

She was a great supporter after all the divisiveness had set in. NYMinute Jan 2020 #53

Well, she was being urged by Biden at the time to stick with him blm Jan 2020 #61

Cool story NYMinute Jan 2020 #66

Biden wanted to run and wanted Warren with him. blm Jan 2020 #104

He was not going to run. He has been at loggerheads with Warren NYMinute Jan 2020 #106

Uh, it's well known. Perhaps you missed all the reports. blm Jan 2020 #109

It is not true. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #147

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #108

Please tell us why. betsuni Jan 2020 #116

Not with me. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #115

Ok by me - they are my top 2 choices nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #27

My preference is Warren, then Klobuchar, then Biden. Bleacher Creature Jan 2020 #30

This is a highly inaccurate statement. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #31

This is just a manipulative attempt to attack Warren and blame her supporters blm Jan 2020 #36

Maybe I don't recognize what you are saying because I am also a Warren supporter. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #41

I see Biden camp attempting to guilt Warren supporters into dropping her blm Jan 2020 #47

Hard to blame us. I'm even working on you right here. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #63

The tweet IS dishonest. And Biden camp's use of it is dishonest blm Jan 2020 #71

This. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #98

Here is one of more than a few posts on this subject... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #168

Huh? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #35

The manipulation strategy is pretty obvious. blm Jan 2020 #38

This OP is a fear/hate-based attempt to try and move Warren supporters to Biden... TCJ70 Jan 2020 #49

Exactly blm Jan 2020 #65

This is one of the reasons why I recently switched my support from Warren to Biden. W_HAMILTON Jan 2020 #39

+1000. Nt Heartstrings Jan 2020 #59

I'm fine with that janterry Jan 2020 #51

Complete fucking bullshit, Warren supporters are going to vote for Liz Baclava Jan 2020 #70

That intercept article reaches high heights of delusional paranoia bluedye33139 Jan 2020 #76

And opportunists are using it to lay guilt on Warren supporters blm Jan 2020 #112

I am not a fan of that publication Gothmog Jan 2020 #124

My vote for Warren will be for Warren... lame54 Jan 2020 #88

Warren is my first choice. Bernie's my second. milestogo Jan 2020 #94

Great post! Thank you! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #95

K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #96

K&R for further consideration. nt TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #97

Just because a progressive group purposes this, does not make it so karynnj Jan 2020 #103

Then squirecam Jan 2020 #113

I completely agree. Nt karynnj Jan 2020 #120

A vote for Warren is a vote for Sanders? Vile. crazytown Jan 2020 #111

Also this. n/t ms liberty Jan 2020 #135

Have you not seen it here? How Sanders and Warren are a team? You couldn't Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #157

This is bullshit jcgoldie Jan 2020 #117

Biden supporters need to know they are hurting their candidate with this kind of trashing of others Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #122

Did you see the lies put out in a Sanders news letter about Biden? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #152

But what about... /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #164

We haven't even had our first primary. dchill Jan 2020 #127

2 ideologically candidates might support each other? Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #131

That depends. First of all Warren is not the same as Sanders. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #153

A vote for warren duforsure Jan 2020 #132

That is not true. The team plan is for all of Warrens delegates to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #155

Warren supporters hating Sanders? KayF Jan 2020 #137

Beware of people that are here only to divide us. nt RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #140

Former Clinton supporters like me who feel he did not support her in the general Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #148

This shit is gotten fucking tired ... DaDeacon Jan 2020 #149

No one said that. Although,I do worry about enthusiasm ... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #150

Really?!?! DaDeacon Jan 2020 #154

Older voters are more reliable and vote more regularly, wouldnt want to dampen their Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #156

No one can do it alone!!! DaDeacon Jan 2020 #185

I hope Gothmog takes the time consider your point. blm Jan 2020 #151

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Jan 2020 #165

We will in all likelihood lose Virginia which would be a devastating loss...if Biden is not the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #171

Biden is the only Democrats who can pick up both Florida and Virginia Gothmog Jan 2020 #174

This is true. A win in Florida would mean Trump loses;how can we not nominate a candidate who can Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #177

Inch or a mile. DaDeacon Jan 2020 #186

Warren can and you are attacking her candidacy and blm Jan 2020 #187

Warren will also lose to trump also but probably by less than sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #192

Baloney. Warren is the BEST candidate to take on Trump. blm Jan 2020 #193

Not according to the polling in the real world Gothmog Jan 2020 #195

Warren is best general election counter to Trump's corruption. blm Jan 2020 #199

Again, Warren's wine cave attacked backfired and failed Gothmog Jan 2020 #208

Who polled Warren's anti-corruption platform against Trump and blm Jan 2020 #211

Again, I note that Warren herself has realized that her wine celler attacked backfired Gothmog Jan 2020 #216

Stick to the poll poll poll rut you find comfortable. Real world is that there blm Jan 2020 #217

The real world is a nice place where facts matter Gothmog Jan 2020 #219

Fact: A vote for Warren is a vote for Warren. blm Jan 2020 #220

It is sanders who is attacking establishment Democrats and who wants to remake the party Gothmog Jan 2020 #163

So your answer is to attack Warren's candidacy for 3months and blm Jan 2020 #191

I have not attack Warren Gothmog Jan 2020 #194

Oh, the old GOP 'flawed' card when they haven't an actual case. blm Jan 2020 #197

Her plan does not add up in the real world Gothmog Jan 2020 #198

You didn't read the REAL WORLD acknowledgment that blm Jan 2020 #207

+1. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #210

I read your material but I have also read real analysis that come to a different conclusion Gothmog Jan 2020 #214

You are peddling a FANTASY and then claim to adhere blm Jan 2020 #222

For this thread Gothmog Jan 2020 #234

Sounds good to me. They are the two best, and only progressive, candidates. Magoo48 Jan 2020 #158

Biden is a progressive and he can actually beat Trump...the others not so much. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #169

SIGH Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #225

Sounds okay to me yellowwoodII Jan 2020 #159

Lol..Is that supposed to scare us? whathehell Jan 2020 #166

No,please emphasize that a vote for Warren is a vote for Sanders...please do this as often as Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #170

Many see them as almost interchangeable on the issues.. whathehell Jan 2020 #175

Good luck. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #176

Back at ya.. whathehell Jan 2020 #178

"The Warren supporters I know hate sanders" WTF? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #181

I don't buy it for even one minute that Warren supporters hate Bernie. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #184

Warren is a solid Democrat, Sanders is not. Warren supported HRC in 2016, Sanders did everything he Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #188

lol LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #201

Warren has been a Democrat and strengthen the party for over two decades. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #204

lol LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #205

Hate is a very destructive emotion. We see enough of that from the Republicans and from that clown totodeinhere Jan 2020 #183

the second choice for 30% of Warren supporters is Bernie Sanders booley Jan 2020 #189

Which means that either 67% or 70% of Warren supporters prefer a different candidate Gothmog Jan 2020 #196

before you get excited... booley Jan 2020 #200

I have been volunteering on voter protection issues for a very long time Gothmog Jan 2020 #203

I think you make too many assumptions booley Jan 2020 #212

I'd be okay with that. Doremus Jan 2020 #202

I'd love Bernie to win! Tink41 Jan 2020 #209

I love the smell of desparation in the morning LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #213

Well Gothmog, you've been here almost as long as I have ms liberty Jan 2020 #215

THIS. JudyM Jan 2020 #233

LOL I'm okay with that. Centrist crack me up. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #226

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #227

I thought you put your money on Bernie?!?!? marble falls Jan 2020 #229

Fine with me caraher Jan 2020 #228

This thread brings a tear to my eye TSIAS Jan 2020 #230

Michael Moore says Warren & Sanders need to reconcile and agree to combine their delegates Gothmog Jan 2020 #236