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Perseus

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49. There is a big difference about "Socialism" and "Communism" and there is another difference

Sat Jan 11, 2020, 08:13 PM

Jan 2020

between the kind of "Socialism" that Bernie wants, which is a "Social-Democratic" government where capitalism is the business model but it is regulated to allow for the social services that a government is supposed to provide to its people, to disallow greed and corruption, it is not for free, these come out of taxes that people pay from working at capitalist businesses/industries, but taxes are regulated to allow those who make more to pay more and those who make less to pay less, which is the way it should be.

I believe he fails in explaining exactly what he is for, he has tried but doesn't seem to do it in a way that would shut people up about him being a "socialist". There is not "socialism" in the World, socialist rhetoric is used by communists who are nothing but dictators to attact the people, once they vote for them the country ends up like Venezuela, Bolivia, etc.

Yes, he has called himself a socialist, and last time he did that he did it out of anger because of the question regarding healthcare and free education, to believe that he is a socialist is to not understand what socialism is really about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Misogyny anyone? [View all] NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 OP

re:"It's always 'I'd vote for a woman just not THAT woman'. Without fail. Every single damn time." thesquanderer Jan 2020 #1

Bernie : An OLD White Guy ? ritapria Jan 2020 #2

He's 78. volstork Jan 2020 #4

But Joe Biden at 77 is young? Paka Jan 2020 #30

I said nothing volstork Jan 2020 #54

That's accurate. It's not ageism. ehrnst Jan 2020 #51

I'm an old white guy too relayerbob Jan 2020 #60

Yes. After the age of 65, the rate of Alzheimers doubles every 5 years. And that's just one pnwmom Jan 2020 #68

You have a VP...and you can get sick at any age...our youngest president was assassinated so...? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #93

Did Biden just have a heart attack? I missed that. pnwmom Jan 2020 #96

I have no idea what you are talking about I am talking about age in general...it could apply to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #97

You were responding in a thread about Bernie's age. And he has had a recent heart attack. pnwmom Jan 2020 #98

My point was that illness and sadly an assasination in the Kennedy situation and he was the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #120

There's a big difference between 70 and 78. She could be finishing the last year of a second term pnwmom Jan 2020 #121

Only because you like Warren don't like Joe...so I don't agree. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #124

There is twice the risk of Alzheimers at 75 as at 70, and by 85, pnwmom Jan 2020 #127

Sorry but yes he's definitely too old to be president and so is Biden tymorial Jan 2020 #79

Sorry, but the vast majority of Democrats disagree with you.. whathehell Jan 2020 #105

Bernie had a heart attack recently. murielm99 Jan 2020 #102

Seriously, vsrazdem Jan 2020 #3

Get real. America is nowhere near ready to elect a socialist. brush Jan 2020 #9

Well, you better tell that to all the voters who will be voting for him. School them, for they know vsrazdem Jan 2020 #11

The Majority of POC aren't.. nor are the majority of the Voters in the crucial Swing Cha Jan 2020 #15

If that is the case, there is no reason anybody would try to stop him. So, I am confused as vsrazdem Jan 2020 #22

I only know I want someone who will WIN Cha Jan 2020 #24

As do we all want somebody who will win, and should support the nominee, whoever it is. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #27

I would support Sanders in a general...but believe he would lose badly and we probably lose the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #42

I disagree, but that's okay. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #63

Well if he is the candidate,I hope you are right...and I still don't think he takes enough AA vote Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #71

No matter who the nominee is, AA voters are not going to vote for Trump. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #72

Now, say the same thing (with the same level of certainty) regarding Bernie voters. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #81

If what you're implying is correct, that's all the more reason Bernie would win: young folks' voting JudyM Jan 2020 #95

You assume,they will show up as they have no choice...but I don't agree...they won't vote for Trump Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #125

Oh, you mean like the last election, in Wisconsin when 75,000 people went to the polls, stood in vsrazdem Jan 2020 #133

What centrist candidate? The Democratic platform was the most progressive in history. betsuni Jan 2020 #138

And won Wisconsin in the primary. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #139

Too bad he couldn't win for the Democrat in the general election. betsuni Jan 2020 #140

Yes, it was. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #141

Ya, so why all the Bernie bashin?Clearly theyre scared Bernie's surgin, on his way to the nomination InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #75

It's actually what's best for the country...running someone who can beat... brush Jan 2020 #16

What is best for the country is what the VOTERS decide is best for the country, Period. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #23

WIth EC, VOTERS don't decide; Dem primary is not the General Election MH1 Jan 2020 #111

If you read the response given, it was in reference to running someone who was best for the country vsrazdem Jan 2020 #112

Think with your head and not your heart and you SHOULD come to a different conclusion but you UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #123

Thank you brush-this a million times and it is why I posted this thread-n/t NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 #14

You get real -- Polls consistently show that socialism has whathehell Jan 2020 #17

We shall see. And voters under 45 don't turn out as much as older ones. brush Jan 2020 #26

That is not true...we will lose and badly. For all of you who believe this...I suggest Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #46

He is not a socialist and please explain what you understand what socialism is. Perseus Jan 2020 #29

Are you not aware he's been calling himself a socialist for decades? brush Jan 2020 #32

There is a big difference about "Socialism" and "Communism" and there is another difference Perseus Jan 2020 #49

If he himself can't clear it up what are voters with fears of socialism... brush Jan 2020 #55

Good point, and I don't disagree with you on that one. As I said, that has been his failure to me. Perseus Jan 2020 #110

Sanders is not a capitalist by his own words. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #48

I'm 1 79 year old women voting for Bernie. Paka Jan 2020 #35

Everyone has their opinion. brush Jan 2020 #37

I am sorry, but... sheshe2 Jan 2020 #61

Calling them ignorant voters is highly disrespectful. Paka Jan 2020 #70

If they stay home, as you suggest they might, then their vote doesn't matter either way. What I... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #103

I don't respect any voter who wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee really...fuck them. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #126

Well said Perseus Jan 2020 #131

Bernie isn't really a dem. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #34

Democratic is more than just a party. Paka Jan 2020 #36

No Progressive isn't a Democrat necessarily...but a Democrat is a person who belongs to the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #66

Without values, the party is nothing. Paka Jan 2020 #73

That is where you are wrong...a letter next to your name means you are an independent or a Democrat. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #82

I don't doubt a party needs values. But the point is in order to be a Democrat,you have to be a Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #117

The "Democrat" Party? SilasSouleII Jan 2020 #80

Reply title cut off last two letters fixed it. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #92

It does not mean the "same darn thing". MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #114

And the reason I fixed it is because I view it as an error...the point was the post remained the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #116

The Democratic party-which he bashes. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #86

Thanks...as I said the 'ic' was cut off in the reply title...fixed it. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #88

Exactly -- Thank you. whathehell Jan 2020 #106

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #101

Yes, lets get Obama to tell the truth! Nt USALiberal Jan 2020 #113

I don't vote based on sex, age, race, etc. left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #5

There are also several capable male candidates Hav Jan 2020 #6

This OP is an attack on the majority of people here at DU SCantiGOP Jan 2020 #7

It isn't-It is a VERY direct attack however on Bernie Sanders NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 #12

Why such an emotional defence of Bernie Sanders btw? NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 #13

Wow; so because someone supports one candidate, they should accept unfair attacks on others? LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #18

It is the posters opinion, and we, as liberals, should respect everyone's opinions Perseus Jan 2020 #21

Well,I've no doubt misogyny lurks here also. cwydro Jan 2020 #104

No, it isn't. kcr Jan 2020 #119

Wish Harris or Kloubachar had gained traction. It's time for a woman Hoyt Jan 2020 #8

Meh-I'll pass on this wedge. jalan48 Jan 2020 #10

Bernie Sanders is also highly qualified, and your characterization of him as an old white guy is Perseus Jan 2020 #19

Many of us are Not accepting.. most Cha Jan 2020 #25

IMO the visceral disgust for Sanders is a little over the top, but that's just me. vsrazdem Jan 2020 #28

No, it's not just you. Paka Jan 2020 #40

Anti-Semitism Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #62

not in my case Skittles Jan 2020 #89

without fail? Skittles Jan 2020 #20

Warren should be top tier. She has a progressive platform and actually has a plan. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #31

You apparently haven't listened to Bernie enough. Paka Jan 2020 #41

I would like some facts and figures to go with all the pipe dreaming. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #83

Yelling and wagging fingers isn't a plan. we can do it Jan 2020 #91

Maybe that is why she is not top tier...to many plans...presidential races are not won using a Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #67

I agree that she needs a cohesive whole, a vision. I also think that sexism plays a role. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #87

His big theme is 'our revolution' so he does have one...and not getting into specifics is smart... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #90

I'll probably vote for Biden. I'm pragmatic. I don't think he is a bad candidate. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #109

He has already said ...he respects any state that wants to legalize and wont interfere... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #118

Yawn 🥱 Sherman A1 Jan 2020 #33

I think just about everyone on this site voted for a woman in 2016. David__77 Jan 2020 #38

But the PAST is forgotten. oldsoftie Jan 2020 #44

And we lost;don't want that again. That is why I am all in for Biden-not because I don't want women Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #94

..and you assume voters in WI, MI and PA will reject every woman whathehell Jan 2020 #137

There will be a woman on the 2020 ticket aeromanKC Jan 2020 #39

Always blame misogyny or racism when you dont want to accept reality. oldsoftie Jan 2020 #43

Let's also remember that in the case of 2016 "that woman" had been the most popular politician StevieM Jan 2020 #45

A record 17 times voted Most Admired Woman too. betsuni Jan 2020 #64

Is this a place where one can type NYMinute Jan 2020 #47

The "I told you so" could also go against your candidate of choice, so I would leave it alone :) Perseus Jan 2020 #53

I think you're misunderstanding the OP NYMinute Jan 2020 #78

Yeah if someone like Biden was beating my preferred candidate NewsCenter28 Jan 2020 #100

+1,000,000 nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #107

I don't disagree with that either...I think that there is a small group of hard core folks who Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #132

Yep. ehrnst Jan 2020 #50

Amazing as it might seem, I am supporting experience lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #52

The subject title of this thread is BULLSHIT Martin Eden Jan 2020 #56

Yes. This post has obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2020 #85

well said... samnsara Jan 2020 #57

Can't warren sanders supporters make this happen? so frustrating. we need structural change Kurt V. Jan 2020 #58

First we were all racists for not backing certain candidates... TCJ70 Jan 2020 #59

Utterly untrue. warmfeet Jan 2020 #65

You're right. I've heard so many, right from the beginning, say that this election pnwmom Jan 2020 #69

I have never considered Mayor Pete a contender. And I do have doubts about whether a woman can win. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #76

The media challenges women's credentials more than men's. blm Jan 2020 #74

Warren got great coverage on MSNBC...she is on Rachel and Chris's show often...and they sure as Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #130

This is so embarrassing DrToast Jan 2020 #77

I agree...sometimes a candidate just loses. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #84

"Sanders is Jeremy Corbyn on steroids" - I disagree Myrddin Jan 2020 #99

No - when you take away the different systems NYMinute Jan 2020 #108

Whatever made you think winning elections is about skill sets... aikoaiko Jan 2020 #115

Now that is absolutely true. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #129

Many of those supporters you tout as an example now support the older white guy while ignoring Autumn Jan 2020 #122

People have a right to vote as they choose and are not required to vote for a woman to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #128

Same reason I supported him last time. I'm hoping he wins the nomination because Autumn Jan 2020 #134

Biden is far more qualified than anyone else in the field madville Jan 2020 #135

Capitalism I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2020 #136