Democratic Primaries

apnu

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130. Not me. I expected this.

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 02:08 PM

Jan 2020

I remember 2016, I remember Sanders supporters turning on the party and Hillary. I knew Bernie would turn on Warren eventually, its in his nature. If anybody remembers 2016 and Sander's activity post primary 2016, should not be surprised here.

But on top of that, Sanders tactically has to turn on Warren. Between the two they are splitting the progressive and left wing vote, which is net positive for Biden and any other moderates. If Sanders doesn't burn Warren down now, he never will.

Conversely, the moderates need to burn Biden down right now or suffer starvation.

But, Warren has a key advantage over Sanders: she's been in this party for a long time and has paid her dues to the party. Party members respect that. If Warren falls to Biden, she'll go back to her patch, and do everything she can to help Biden (or whomever) beat Trump. I think that's helping her in the party now. She's both progressive and a solid party member, this counts for quite a lot in party politics.

We all share space in this party, most of the candidates get that, I don't think Bernie does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite [View all] George II Jan 2020 OP

I never expected their non-aggression pact to last, just as I've never believed there was highplainsdem Jan 2020 #1

"Slammed" Warren? "Aggression"? Please. If they literally were a team they wouldn't be competing Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #86

Sanders probably would be a lot of these voters second choice, but they are 'highly educated' and UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #100

This. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #123

Sanders scorch and burn campaign is sad and disgusting still_one Jan 2020 #2

Scorch and Burn ? ritapria Jan 2020 #11

You want to go there? Hillary paid a price for those attacks, especially when McCain was brought still_one Jan 2020 #24

+1000. ehrnst Jan 2020 #63

... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #52

I'm also aware that Bernie considered running against Obama in the 2012 primary. RandySF Jan 2020 #54

Yes, it's scorch and burn, and it's different that HRC and BHO. ehrnst Jan 2020 #62

"Bernie is running an honorable , ethical campaign"? You should look at what Briahna Gray.... George II Jan 2020 #102

I have no words. So much for hope Bernie might work to defeat trump LakeArenal Jan 2020 #3

Wait until he loses and then watch the shade he throws grantcart Jan 2020 #42

BS is running for himself, under the disguise of running for the country onetexan Jan 2020 #57

Bingo. ehrnst Jan 2020 #64

Make sure you guys are VERY CLEAR about that RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #81

Not sure what you mean "clear"? LakeArenal Jan 2020 #82

Make sure you do. Cha Jan 2020 #111

Bernie can't win so long as Warren runs in the same lane. RandySF Jan 2020 #4

+1000. ehrnst Jan 2020 #69

She needs to also stay in the race. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #94

Biden camp attacked Warren as elitist in Oct and Nov blm Jan 2020 #106

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda Me. Jan 2020 #5

Thanks for scooping me! JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #6

Hahaha BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #55

More from the article: JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #7

That was WAY toward the end of the script, after most voters had already been turned off to Warren.. George II Jan 2020 #8

apparently. mopinko Jan 2020 #9

If I really want to beat Trump, I should be fine with anyway we can... JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #10

The point is, Bernie "pledged" to not go negative, he's now gone negative against.... George II Jan 2020 #13

No. The point is, we need to... JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #16

Bashing the leading Democrats isn't helping us to win in November. George II Jan 2020 #18

I would never "bash" the leading Dem, and right now that is Bernie so I know we will... JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #26

No he isn't. You should check the polls again. George II Jan 2020 #30

Bernie is leading our nation against Trump. Even Mike Lee is feeling the Bern on Iran. Also... JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #34

No he isn't.... George II Jan 2020 #44

I have democratic MFM008 Jan 2020 #50

What scares them? Paying less? blm Jan 2020 #78

unfortunatly MFM008 Jan 2020 #118

"Warren is capitalism's best hope." blm Jan 2020 #119

So you're going to evade the whole "not going negative" pledge? ehrnst Jan 2020 #72

Sanders is marginalizing himself in the party whose primary he's running in. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #17

The convention runs from July 13 - 16. He'll be an "independent" again sometime between those dates. George II Jan 2020 #85

Trumpers use the same reasoning with the lies, and all the other vulgarities. Where is the line? Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #20

Uh? ntn JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #27

W was a status quo candidate andym Jan 2020 #32

And Gore and Clinton won their elections, but for inappropriate spooky3 Jan 2020 #36

While smearing a progressive candidate as "not being for the people" for being 1/4 inch to the right ehrnst Jan 2020 #65

Joe Biden: "...no one is really excited about him." Scurrilous Jan 2020 #12

Have you ever watched a Bernie rally? NT Eric J in MN Jan 2020 #49

Apparently not!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #53

Well, when loud crowds don't become more votes ehrnst Jan 2020 #67

Does that cheering translate into votes? ehrnst Jan 2020 #66

Yes took one of my kids when they still supported him...canned speech...same old same old...not even Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #91

The Hill has been spamming Twitter w/ stump speech excerpts. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #109

That was probably a small event. Eric J in MN Jan 2020 #122

The rallies were the same in 2016, actually bigger and more vocal. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #121

NBC: Bernie Sanders can't be allowed to poison another Democratic primary with personal attacks TomCADem Jan 2020 #14

Hmph, so O'Rourke isn't a "true progressive" (I don't agree but...) at least he's true DEMOCRAT! George II Jan 2020 #15

The campaign against Beto was deceptive, unfair and pervasive from the outset. crazytown Jan 2020 #29

+1,000,000 TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #37

Beto was treated horribly. Especially by press. blm Jan 2020 #108

Holly gets the Scoop again! crazytown Jan 2020 #19

They all are!!!! JoeOtterbein Jan 2020 #28

A ferret without a tail is a bit like crazytown Jan 2020 #31

. George II Jan 2020 #21

One of the first lessons new salespeople tend, too often, to forget: OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #22

Great point - that's one of the first things I was told. Be positive about your product.... George II Jan 2020 #23

Absolutely. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #33

BS Never learned that. Cha Jan 2020 #110

Scorched earth policy NYMinute Jan 2020 #25

Plays real well at caucuses, crazytown Jan 2020 #35

How so? NYMinute Jan 2020 #39

"Scorched earth" - burning bridges with competitors. crazytown Jan 2020 #40

"But what struck me as we lapsed into another silence was the word he had used to convert betsuni Jan 2020 #38

Biden camp has been calling Warren an elitist since fall. blm Jan 2020 #80

She said he should run in a different primary, he said that was an elitist thing to believe...that Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #92

Politico has some bad info dana_b Jan 2020 #41

"The Sanders campaign did not challenge the authenticity of the script, but declined to comment." ehrnst Jan 2020 #70

Yawn. The headline doesn't even come close to fitting the story ... or the facts. But hey, KPN Jan 2020 #43

The article was co-authored by a writer who comes with high recommendations here.... George II Jan 2020 #45

LOL. "Bernie Slams ..." when there was no "slam" isn't a slam on Bernie? Right. KPN Jan 2020 #46

Politico "just gotta slam Sanders every chance they get?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #73

Could be I meant Politico, could be not. Not. KPN Jan 2020 #87

Backpedaling? ehrnst Jan 2020 #113

Backpedaling? KPN Jan 2020 #115

Yes. That's exactly what happened there ehrnst Jan 2020 #124

That's entertaining. KPN Jan 2020 #126

Glad to be of help. It seems that you might benefit from smiling a little. ehrnst Jan 2020 #127

We all benefit from smiling. You can too! KPN Jan 2020 #128

I get smiles from watching people think that they're putting one over ehrnst Jan 2020 #129

Me too. KPN Jan 2020 #134

"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #135

Grow up. KPN Jan 2020 #136

Pot, meet kettle. ehrnst Jan 2020 #137

came fully expecting to be disappointed in Sanders. nope. more Politico BS stopdiggin Jan 2020 #47

So Politico publishes "BS" on Sanders? ehrnst Jan 2020 #74

anything coming out of Politico stopdiggin Jan 2020 #104

Even the pieces that praise Bernie? ehrnst Jan 2020 #112

stating again for the record stopdiggin Jan 2020 #133

The article needs to start with words such as Eric J in MN Jan 2020 #48

Well it's implying 'things' when you use adjectives like that now doesn't it. Does Bernie fit in UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #97

that pony needs to learn a new trick Skittles Jan 2020 #51

They lost because they were "safe"? Al Gore was the global warming environmentalist liberal who betsuni Jan 2020 #56

+1000. Also, SCOTUS stole the election from Gore. ehrnst Jan 2020 #71

' . . . and so it goes . . . ' - Vonnegut empedocles Jan 2020 #58

Hiccup Kurt V. Jan 2020 #59

What does that mean? betsuni Jan 2020 #60

Because of course he did. He has always implied anyone who is 1/4 inch to the right of him ehrnst Jan 2020 #61

I'm curious how that script got to Politico ehrnst Jan 2020 #68

I feel bad for the Warren supporters who mistakenly thought comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #75

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2020 #79

"Fool me once....." George II Jan 2020 #83

He wants to use her to get a brokered convention where she and her supporters will be Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #93

No kidding. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #98

Not me. I expected this. apnu Jan 2020 #130

You expected Bernie to turn on Warren and so did I. The only one comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #131

Its surprising when allies turn on you. apnu Jan 2020 #132

"bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party" - so basically, MH1 Jan 2020 #76

why do ppl keep throwing that word around..its so subjective.. samnsara Jan 2020 #77

Yet another rerun of The Bernie Show. R B Garr Jan 2020 #84

Warren isn't my choice but that is ridiculous. nini Jan 2020 #88

Agree... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #95

SSDY (same shit different year) lark Jan 2020 #89

Didn't Biden start the "elitist" attack? Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #90

No, Warren said Biden should be in the other (GOP) party if he wasn't for M4A Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #99

Why yes, he is the first to call her an elitist. However you want to justify it. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #103

Yes. Biden camp spent October and November attacking Warren blm Jan 2020 #105

I agree. I had forgotten about that, then it dawned on me. Wait, Sanders was not the first. Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #107

Listen, the vote is getting close and Bernie and Company need to pull out all the stops here. UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #96

If it is a scripts being used, then it is for both door knocking and phone calls. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #101

To those who think Biden started the elite thing. NO. Have you never heard/read Bernie? betsuni Jan 2020 #114

Quite an "elite" collection of direct quotes. Thanks! George II Jan 2020 #116

You're welcome! There needs to be a "Bernie says elites" video collection. betsuni Jan 2020 #117

Used to be "millionaire and billionaire class." Not so much directed at "millionaires" anymore. ehrnst Jan 2020 #125

True Sanders does that, what Biden camp did was directed at Warren blm Jan 2020 #120