Democratic Primaries

NewJeffCT

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34. agreed - needs to be an in depth analysis

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:59 AM

Jan 2020

I had expected Harris to do better - why did she fade so badly after that first debate surge?

Booker seemed to be a rising star in early 2017 - why did he never catch fire? Did that deceptive pharma meme from the (Kushner) NY Obersever really kill him that badly?

Castro seemed headed for a bright future after giving what I thought was a good speech at the 2012 DNC. However, he seems to have been forgotten during his HUD stint and never gained any momentum.

Would it have made a difference if Harris or Booker were the only prominent African Americans to enter the race (Sorry, Patrick entered too late and has not been governor for a while now while Harris and Booker are high profile senators)

And, Democrats need to put a more diverse PRIMARY state first (NY, California, NJ, Florida, etc) instead of a mostly white caucus state in Iowa and a small mostly white state in New Hampshire 2nd.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bottom line problem: No black or brown person will be on any primary ballot [View all] StarfishSaver Jan 2020 OP

I guess Americans aren't ready for a minority President Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #1

I guess some people aren't interested in an intelligent discussion about an important topic StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #2

Um, pretty sure that was sarcasm. cwydro Jan 2020 #9

While I understand what the poster was saying... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #30

I agree with you but I think the initial reluctance by black electeds to back Obama... negromiconomics Jan 2020 #79

And that only a few individuals in a generation The Mouth Jan 2020 #103

"I guess Americans aren't ready for a minority President" left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #6

Pretty sure that was the point. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #7

I suspect you're right, but the reply is still problematic to me even as sarcasm. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #36

Three things-- pangaia Jan 2020 #40

I think it was sarcastic ... And completely beside the point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #54

Was he wearing a bracelet on his right hand? saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #133

really? llashram Jan 2020 #91

This is such an outstanding post. mahina Jan 2020 #3

Another kick. mahina Jan 2020 #4

The twin effect of Iowa and NH means a well-known white candidate BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #5

Agreed.. pangaia Jan 2020 #44

Yes, Iowa and NH being first doesn't work anymore. brush Jan 2020 #48

Even those of us in Iowa have misgivings about the system. Sogo Jan 2020 #82

Very good ideas...regional primaries, weekend GE. brush Jan 2020 #86

that is just plain bs dsc Jan 2020 #109

Oh, hostile BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #114

they didn't attract support in either SC or their respective home states dsc Jan 2020 #116

You keep talking about "support" which is really just polls StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #117

ummmmmmmmmm samnsara Jan 2020 #8

Maybe race doesn't matter to the average Democratic voter TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #10

So it just so happens that only white people are still in the race? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #49

Plus the fact that Biden is infinitely qualified and was Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #98

Except that that's not the case. brooklynite Jan 2020 #124

+1. Agree. I always thought pure equality meant you Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #94

In Senator Booker's Case, I think the Republicans were afraid of him. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #11

Well said. brush Jan 2020 #20

Agreed. Well said. nt. Sogo Jan 2020 #69

I'm glad you posted this. Our government needs to look like the people it serves. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #12

There will be a black or brown person on the ticket aeromanKC Jan 2020 #13

The voters had plenty of choices, and they made the decisions of who they supported. Autumn Jan 2020 #14

Voters haven't made any decisions yet. That's my point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #21

The likely voters have made their choice of who they support going forward in the primaries. Autumn Jan 2020 #26

Being black or brown isn't an automatic pass to the next round DrToast Jan 2020 #15

It's a concern but I don't see a straightforward fix. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #16

There is no straightforward fix StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #23

agreed - needs to be an in depth analysis NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #34

How disrespectful to Deval Patrick DrToast Jan 2020 #17

I hope he doesn't win...he has serious issues ...and I mean the brother in law thing... would not Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56

I'm not a fan either, but he's still in the race DrToast Jan 2020 #65

You are correct but already written off it seems...well I am not sorry for that. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #68

When did Deval Patrick drop out of the race, StarfishSaver? I await your response. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #18

Crickets LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #145

I believe the fear of losing to Trump is causing many voters concern randr Jan 2020 #19

I agree. This pre primary nonsense doesn't work mountain grammy Jan 2020 #22

I don't vote based on race or gender n/t left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #24

Please read my OP again StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #25

No thanks left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #27

That's nice StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #55

okie dokie smokie left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #113

Booker, Harris, and Abrams are all very young exboyfil Jan 2020 #28

Was it the chicken or the egg? karynnj Jan 2020 #29

Thank you. First three sentences say it all. cp Jan 2020 #31

To my knowledge bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #32

African Americans, in large numbers, support Biden based on the content of his character, LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #33

Indeed!! So obviously the AA voters are not looking at race or color Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #38

This. cwydro Jan 2020 #47

..... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #43

I don't expect anyone to do anything; I just think that that racism, against anyone, is sad LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #45

You've completely missed the point of the OP StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #57

No, I didn't; I'm just tired of continued attempts to make this something it isn't LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #60

Of course you don't think you missed the point. That's because you missed the point. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #67

I ask again, Should Suzanne Atanus have been guaranteed a spot in the primary? LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #70

With so many supposedly "missing your point" perhaps you explained it badly Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #71

Nah; couldn't be that LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #74

I explained it very clearly. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #75

I get your post all too well Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #80

There is a fallacy there NYMinute Jan 2020 #35

Except he's ahead in polls, not in votes. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #42

The only "selection decisions" that have been made have been by the candidates themselves LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #52

Thank you! StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #58

The decision to drop out was made by the candidates themselves NYMinute Jan 2020 #83

So... what to do? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #37

This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #39

I don't know how to fix it. But we need to discuss it honestly and figure out solutions. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #81

I'm not pretending there isn't a "problem," but.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #88

I don't think you're ignoring the problem StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #92

I think 22 candidates in debates dilutes the conversation Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #95

Let's also remember that the polls mcar Jan 2020 #131

Thank You So Much!! LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #41

These complaints are getting tiring... brooklynite Jan 2020 #46

Actually, we started with three hundred and six, which underscores your point LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #53

I'm sure these observations ARE tiring to some people StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #59

+1. marble falls Jan 2020 #64

... StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #66

How many African American voters are racists, since so many are supporting Biden? brooklynite Jan 2020 #73

I agree 100%. I am tired of the explanation that there are no PoC and fewer women ... marble falls Jan 2020 #84

Oh, come on StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #142

I know, right? I get tired of pundits and "common knowlege". marble falls Jan 2020 #144

A Dem president's 2021 cabinet will look like America. Count on it. nt oasis Jan 2020 #50

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #51

It is a problem. A very big problem. I am beginning to look at Rachel Dolezal ... marble falls Jan 2020 #61

You will get the usual pushback ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #62

Thank you StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #72

The media and polls Politicub Jan 2020 #63

The three who dropped out didn't get support from POC Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #76

"The three who dropped out didn't get support from POC" How do you know? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #85

Now, Part 2... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #77

The size of the field didn't help matters lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #78

Totally agree on both your points... VarryOn Jan 2020 #153

The media polling/debate access issue is a major problem, with or without race/gender connotations. AtheistCrusader Jan 2020 #87

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #90

Not sure what you are suggesting here? Engineer Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #89

AMAZING, the denial, deflection, and defense, in the comments. Jirel Jan 2020 #93

Thank you SO much for this! StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #97

Here, here... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #105

We get the point just fine DrToast Jan 2020 #119

You're rejecting a premise that no one has tried to establish StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #120

No, that's exactly what you're missing DrToast Jan 2020 #121

That's not what I'm assuming StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #125

A few times I've been the only white person in the room The Mouth Jan 2020 #135

You just are proving that you DON'T get it. Jirel Jan 2020 #126

What about Hickenlooper, Inslee, or Bullock? DrToast Jan 2020 #134

Myself, I regret that there is no person of color among our top tier of candidates. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #96

Excellent post Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #99

Bottom Line: they are overwhelmingly supporting Biden The Mouth Jan 2020 #100

Its not a perfect format the primary. DeSmet Jan 2020 #101

A black female candidate shouldn't have to be a former First Lady in order to have a chance StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #106

BOTTOM LINE: Black and brown majorities choose for electability Hortensis Jan 2020 #102

As an AA, I can say that we have the most to lose if Trump is reelected - this isn't a game for us. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #104

If you don't use polls, what criteria would you use? Why should it be assumed that still_one Jan 2020 #107

How about actual primary elections? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #110

Deval Patrick, a black candidate, will be in the actual primary elections. He hasn't quit. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #112

I definitely agree with you regarding the calender for the primary should be moved to states that still_one Jan 2020 #118

There are 100+ Democratic candidates registered with the FEC... brooklynite Jan 2020 #122

Please point to where Starfish Saver said that mcar Jan 2020 #132

Without thresholds around polling and fundraising, how do we distinguish Lee Mercer Jr tritsofme Jan 2020 #136

Don't know mcar Jan 2020 #137

I have been asking basically that same question since yesterday LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #138

... mcar Jan 2020 #139

K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #108

I believe Deval Patrick is on the California Democratic primary ballot Retrograde Jan 2020 #111

K & R geardaddy Jan 2020 #115

Did someone force Harris, Booker and Castro out of the race? brooklynite Jan 2020 #123

Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2020 #127

The reason is a lack of minorities in politics (due to racism) to give us top-tier candidates. Doodley Jan 2020 #128

In 2008 loyalsister Jan 2020 #129

This is an excellent analysis mcar Jan 2020 #130

Right-wingers derided Barack Obama as the "affirmative action president". We rightly disregarded LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #140

And I can't believe that some people are claiming that a discussion StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #141

I, and others, have asked how you would change the system, given the large LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #143

From the "How to Be An Ally as Long as it's Convenient and Not in any Way Uncomfortable" Handbook StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #146

So, you have no answer, just a veiled insinuation of racism. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #149

#3 StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #150

And if I refuse to name other communists, it proves I'm a communist; it's called a witch hunt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #151

It is unfortunate. Now the media is trying to act concerned ecstatic Jan 2020 #147

I hear you - but the amount of black support they had is beside the point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #148

I agree that the process the DNC used this go round wasn't the best ecstatic Jan 2020 #155

I tried. RandySF Jan 2020 #152

That is beautifully laid out, Starfish. Wish I could Rec it more than once. I have been increasingly Hekate Jan 2020 #154