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LovingA2andMI

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77. Now, Part 2...
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jan 2020

We agree with 95% of this post however, there are some reality at play here in the Democratic Presidential Primary Contest that must be addressed:

1. Cory Booker had baggage - called his support previously for the Charter School Movement. It truly was a non-starter with voters like us as Charter Schools thanks to the Devos' has run and almost ruined the Public K-12 system in Michigan. Due to this previous stance of his, he could never earn our support unless he was the final nominee. Otherwise, he can try again later but first he must address and atone to his previous strong support for the Charter Schools for Huge Profits with Less Education overall, movement.

2. Kamala Harris was originally our first choice. However, our thoughts as her campaign continued was about how scattered it was. From, she loved Marijuana to she previously charged Marijuana related crimes. To she was for Medicare for All to really, it was a Public Option program. To pointing out Joe Biden previous questionable stance on School Busing to backing up out of it when she received heat from those who support Biden. In other words, her ability to stand on what was thought to be her principal stances on an issue kept scattering all over the place. In our eyes, Kamala Harris was in the Moderate Progressive lane which was our initial attraction to her candidacy. She should have stayed there as no candidate can be "all things" to "all people". Lastly, if she took an initial stance -- stick to it period. Hopefully, she will work on this for the future and her future is still bright if she does.

3. Julian Castro is a rising star, period. The problem with his campaign was funding. If he would have had the necessary funding levels to compete properly, he would STILL be IN this RACE. Between him and Elizabeth Warren, we found our candidate Sweet Spot after initially favoring Kamala Harris. We chose Elizabeth Warren because we believe and still do believe, she is the right candidate for these times as a Financial Mess is coming from Drump soon - if we are not there already and the Drump Administration is hiding it. We want Castro to be Warren's VP if she can reach this level. However, Warren poll numbers have gotten concerning and if she can't manage a strong Iowa showing and equal showing in the first 3-4 Primary States, we're done.

So where does this leave us -- not excited for what the Democrats Chances of beating Drump are.

4. Biden is boring but we will vote for him if he is the nominee -- however, we do not believe he can win. His previous record before becoming President Obama's VP was awful at Presidential Contests he put himself in. Also, as African-American voters who talk to other African-American voters, the S.C. Polls are an outlier. Biden's real support in the African-American American community is soft for those 50 and younger -- and that is a fact.

5. Bernie keeps trying to burning down the house and we are tired of hearing his name -- everywhere. As former Bernie supporters in 2016, his ongoing style is a turn off and some of his Cult like supporters are reminding us just a bit too damn much like another version of the MAGA Cult -- and we are NOT IMPRESSED. If he is the nominee, we will vote for him but he will not beat Trump due to him and/or his supporters turning off too many Democratic Voters - including African-American voters in the same group as we cited for Biden, in particular.

6. Pete Buttiedge is not winning the nomination and that is a good thing as so many African-American voters would stay home, it would make 2016 drop off of African-American Democratic support pale in comparison. His Mayoral record in South Bend among dealing with issues of importance to African-Americans is downright awful. The only way we would consider voting for him is if by some strange occurance, he won the nomination -- but that is not likely going to happen.

7. Andrew Yang is so similar to a TV Game Show Host in his mannerisms, its tiring. Hopefully, he will suspend his campaign like yesterday or SOON. Real Soon.

8. Amy K. worries us. She seems a little too eager to appeal to the "Lost Trump Working Class (White) Voter" who she thinks she can "Get Back" by catering to them in her policies. This is a turn off as she is not addressing effectively issues that impact African-Americans. Yes, we would vote for her if she was the gain the nomination however, the reality appears to be her Candidacy will be over after the votes are counted in Iowa.

So that's the ticket. If Elizabeth Warren, who we believe strongly is the BEST CANDIDATE at this time, does not pull it out after the first 5 states, we are tuning out of the Presidential Primary, will focus on State and Local Elections and show up to vote for whoever is the Democratic Nominee in November but that vote would not be done enthusiastically. It will just be to hope, Trump is no more. That's it, That's All.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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I guess Americans aren't ready for a minority President Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #1
I guess some people aren't interested in an intelligent discussion about an important topic StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #2
Um, pretty sure that was sarcasm. cwydro Jan 2020 #9
While I understand what the poster was saying... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #30
I agree with you but I think the initial reluctance by black electeds to back Obama... negromiconomics Jan 2020 #79
And that only a few individuals in a generation The Mouth Jan 2020 #103
"I guess Americans aren't ready for a minority President" left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #6
Pretty sure that was the point. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #7
I suspect you're right, but the reply is still problematic to me even as sarcasm. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #36
Three things-- pangaia Jan 2020 #40
I think it was sarcastic ... And completely beside the point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #54
Was he wearing a bracelet on his right hand? saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #133
really? llashram Jan 2020 #91
This is such an outstanding post. mahina Jan 2020 #3
Another kick. mahina Jan 2020 #4
The twin effect of Iowa and NH means a well-known white candidate BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #5
Agreed.. pangaia Jan 2020 #44
Yes, Iowa and NH being first doesn't work anymore. brush Jan 2020 #48
Even those of us in Iowa have misgivings about the system. Sogo Jan 2020 #82
Very good ideas...regional primaries, weekend GE. brush Jan 2020 #86
that is just plain bs dsc Jan 2020 #109
Oh, hostile BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #114
they didn't attract support in either SC or their respective home states dsc Jan 2020 #116
You keep talking about "support" which is really just polls StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #117
ummmmmmmmmm samnsara Jan 2020 #8
Maybe race doesn't matter to the average Democratic voter TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #10
So it just so happens that only white people are still in the race? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #49
Plus the fact that Biden is infinitely qualified and was Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #98
Except that that's not the case. brooklynite Jan 2020 #124
+1. Agree. I always thought pure equality meant you Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #94
In Senator Booker's Case, I think the Republicans were afraid of him. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #11
Well said. brush Jan 2020 #20
Agreed. Well said. nt. Sogo Jan 2020 #69
I'm glad you posted this. Our government needs to look like the people it serves. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #12
There will be a black or brown person on the ticket aeromanKC Jan 2020 #13
The voters had plenty of choices, and they made the decisions of who they supported. Autumn Jan 2020 #14
Voters haven't made any decisions yet. That's my point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #21
The likely voters have made their choice of who they support going forward in the primaries. Autumn Jan 2020 #26
Being black or brown isn't an automatic pass to the next round DrToast Jan 2020 #15
It's a concern but I don't see a straightforward fix. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #16
There is no straightforward fix StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #23
agreed - needs to be an in depth analysis NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #34
How disrespectful to Deval Patrick DrToast Jan 2020 #17
I hope he doesn't win...he has serious issues ...and I mean the brother in law thing... would not Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56
I'm not a fan either, but he's still in the race DrToast Jan 2020 #65
You are correct but already written off it seems...well I am not sorry for that. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #68
When did Deval Patrick drop out of the race, StarfishSaver? I await your response. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #18
Crickets LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #145
I believe the fear of losing to Trump is causing many voters concern randr Jan 2020 #19
I agree. This pre primary nonsense doesn't work mountain grammy Jan 2020 #22
I don't vote based on race or gender n/t left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #24
Please read my OP again StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #25
No thanks left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #27
That's nice StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #55
okie dokie smokie left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #113
Booker, Harris, and Abrams are all very young exboyfil Jan 2020 #28
Was it the chicken or the egg? karynnj Jan 2020 #29
Thank you. First three sentences say it all. cp Jan 2020 #31
To my knowledge bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #32
African Americans, in large numbers, support Biden based on the content of his character, LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #33
Indeed!! So obviously the AA voters are not looking at race or color Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #38
This. cwydro Jan 2020 #47
..... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #43
I don't expect anyone to do anything; I just think that that racism, against anyone, is sad LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #45
You've completely missed the point of the OP StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #57
No, I didn't; I'm just tired of continued attempts to make this something it isn't LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #60
Of course you don't think you missed the point. That's because you missed the point. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #67
I ask again, Should Suzanne Atanus have been guaranteed a spot in the primary? LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #70
With so many supposedly "missing your point" perhaps you explained it badly Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #71
Nah; couldn't be that LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #74
I explained it very clearly. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #75
I get your post all too well Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #80
There is a fallacy there NYMinute Jan 2020 #35
Except he's ahead in polls, not in votes. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #42
The only "selection decisions" that have been made have been by the candidates themselves LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #52
Thank you! StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #58
The decision to drop out was made by the candidates themselves NYMinute Jan 2020 #83
So... what to do? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #37
This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #39
I don't know how to fix it. But we need to discuss it honestly and figure out solutions. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #81
I'm not pretending there isn't a "problem," but.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #88
I don't think you're ignoring the problem StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #92
I think 22 candidates in debates dilutes the conversation Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #95
Let's also remember that the polls mcar Jan 2020 #131
Thank You So Much!! LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #41
These complaints are getting tiring... brooklynite Jan 2020 #46
Actually, we started with three hundred and six, which underscores your point LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #53
I'm sure these observations ARE tiring to some people StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #59
+1. marble falls Jan 2020 #64
... StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #66
How many African American voters are racists, since so many are supporting Biden? brooklynite Jan 2020 #73
I agree 100%. I am tired of the explanation that there are no PoC and fewer women ... marble falls Jan 2020 #84
Oh, come on StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #142
I know, right? I get tired of pundits and "common knowlege". marble falls Jan 2020 #144
A Dem president's 2021 cabinet will look like America. Count on it. nt oasis Jan 2020 #50
+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #51
It is a problem. A very big problem. I am beginning to look at Rachel Dolezal ... marble falls Jan 2020 #61
You will get the usual pushback ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #62
Thank you StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #72
The media and polls Politicub Jan 2020 #63
The three who dropped out didn't get support from POC Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #76
"The three who dropped out didn't get support from POC" How do you know? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #85
Now, Part 2... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #77
The size of the field didn't help matters lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #78
Totally agree on both your points... VarryOn Jan 2020 #153
The media polling/debate access issue is a major problem, with or without race/gender connotations. AtheistCrusader Jan 2020 #87
Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #90
Not sure what you are suggesting here? Engineer Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #89
AMAZING, the denial, deflection, and defense, in the comments. Jirel Jan 2020 #93
Thank you SO much for this! StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #97
Here, here... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #105
We get the point just fine DrToast Jan 2020 #119
You're rejecting a premise that no one has tried to establish StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #120
No, that's exactly what you're missing DrToast Jan 2020 #121
That's not what I'm assuming StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #125
A few times I've been the only white person in the room The Mouth Jan 2020 #135
You just are proving that you DON'T get it. Jirel Jan 2020 #126
What about Hickenlooper, Inslee, or Bullock? DrToast Jan 2020 #134
Myself, I regret that there is no person of color among our top tier of candidates. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #96
Excellent post Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #99
Bottom Line: they are overwhelmingly supporting Biden The Mouth Jan 2020 #100
Its not a perfect format the primary. DeSmet Jan 2020 #101
A black female candidate shouldn't have to be a former First Lady in order to have a chance StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #106
BOTTOM LINE: Black and brown majorities choose for electability Hortensis Jan 2020 #102
As an AA, I can say that we have the most to lose if Trump is reelected - this isn't a game for us. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #104
If you don't use polls, what criteria would you use? Why should it be assumed that still_one Jan 2020 #107
How about actual primary elections? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #110
Deval Patrick, a black candidate, will be in the actual primary elections. He hasn't quit. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #112
I definitely agree with you regarding the calender for the primary should be moved to states that still_one Jan 2020 #118
There are 100+ Democratic candidates registered with the FEC... brooklynite Jan 2020 #122
Please point to where Starfish Saver said that mcar Jan 2020 #132
Without thresholds around polling and fundraising, how do we distinguish Lee Mercer Jr tritsofme Jan 2020 #136
Don't know mcar Jan 2020 #137
I have been asking basically that same question since yesterday LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #138
... mcar Jan 2020 #139
K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #108
I believe Deval Patrick is on the California Democratic primary ballot Retrograde Jan 2020 #111
K & R geardaddy Jan 2020 #115
Did someone force Harris, Booker and Castro out of the race? brooklynite Jan 2020 #123
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2020 #127
The reason is a lack of minorities in politics (due to racism) to give us top-tier candidates. Doodley Jan 2020 #128
In 2008 loyalsister Jan 2020 #129
This is an excellent analysis mcar Jan 2020 #130
Right-wingers derided Barack Obama as the "affirmative action president". We rightly disregarded LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #140
And I can't believe that some people are claiming that a discussion StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #141
I, and others, have asked how you would change the system, given the large LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #143
From the "How to Be An Ally as Long as it's Convenient and Not in any Way Uncomfortable" Handbook StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #146
So, you have no answer, just a veiled insinuation of racism. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #149
#3 StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #150
And if I refuse to name other communists, it proves I'm a communist; it's called a witch hunt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #151
It is unfortunate. Now the media is trying to act concerned ecstatic Jan 2020 #147
I hear you - but the amount of black support they had is beside the point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #148
I agree that the process the DNC used this go round wasn't the best ecstatic Jan 2020 #155
I tried. RandySF Jan 2020 #152
That is beautifully laid out, Starfish. Wish I could Rec it more than once. I have been increasingly Hekate Jan 2020 #154
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