Democratic Primaries

Laura PourMeADrink

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89. Not sure what you are suggesting here? Engineer

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 01:02 PM

Jan 2020

the process to include getting one of each minority to run? And let all of them debate every time? Regardless of fund raising abilities or popularity among potential voters? How many would you have? Sounds pretty discriminatory right there.

Polls and $$ are the only measurements you really have. As imperfect as that may be.

Booker got the most speaking time in the first debate. But he never caught on. Isn't it possible it had zero to do with race as you imply ? Same with Beto. Read that they both excel at story telling...which doesn't fit well with debate rules.

Was actually surprised that Harris dropped out. Surely she could raise as much money as Klobochar.

I saw Harris and Booker on TV plenty of times. Never heard anyone ask them if a black could win? Where you getting that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bottom line problem: No black or brown person will be on any primary ballot [View all] StarfishSaver Jan 2020 OP

I guess Americans aren't ready for a minority President Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #1

I guess some people aren't interested in an intelligent discussion about an important topic StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #2

Um, pretty sure that was sarcasm. cwydro Jan 2020 #9

While I understand what the poster was saying... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #30

I agree with you but I think the initial reluctance by black electeds to back Obama... negromiconomics Jan 2020 #79

And that only a few individuals in a generation The Mouth Jan 2020 #103

"I guess Americans aren't ready for a minority President" left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #6

Pretty sure that was the point. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #7

I suspect you're right, but the reply is still problematic to me even as sarcasm. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #36

Three things-- pangaia Jan 2020 #40

I think it was sarcastic ... And completely beside the point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #54

Was he wearing a bracelet on his right hand? saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #133

really? llashram Jan 2020 #91

This is such an outstanding post. mahina Jan 2020 #3

Another kick. mahina Jan 2020 #4

The twin effect of Iowa and NH means a well-known white candidate BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #5

Agreed.. pangaia Jan 2020 #44

Yes, Iowa and NH being first doesn't work anymore. brush Jan 2020 #48

Even those of us in Iowa have misgivings about the system. Sogo Jan 2020 #82

Very good ideas...regional primaries, weekend GE. brush Jan 2020 #86

that is just plain bs dsc Jan 2020 #109

Oh, hostile BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #114

they didn't attract support in either SC or their respective home states dsc Jan 2020 #116

You keep talking about "support" which is really just polls StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #117

ummmmmmmmmm samnsara Jan 2020 #8

Maybe race doesn't matter to the average Democratic voter TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #10

So it just so happens that only white people are still in the race? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #49

Plus the fact that Biden is infinitely qualified and was Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #98

Except that that's not the case. brooklynite Jan 2020 #124

+1. Agree. I always thought pure equality meant you Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #94

In Senator Booker's Case, I think the Republicans were afraid of him. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #11

Well said. brush Jan 2020 #20

Agreed. Well said. nt. Sogo Jan 2020 #69

I'm glad you posted this. Our government needs to look like the people it serves. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #12

There will be a black or brown person on the ticket aeromanKC Jan 2020 #13

The voters had plenty of choices, and they made the decisions of who they supported. Autumn Jan 2020 #14

Voters haven't made any decisions yet. That's my point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #21

The likely voters have made their choice of who they support going forward in the primaries. Autumn Jan 2020 #26

Being black or brown isn't an automatic pass to the next round DrToast Jan 2020 #15

It's a concern but I don't see a straightforward fix. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #16

There is no straightforward fix StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #23

agreed - needs to be an in depth analysis NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #34

How disrespectful to Deval Patrick DrToast Jan 2020 #17

I hope he doesn't win...he has serious issues ...and I mean the brother in law thing... would not Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56

I'm not a fan either, but he's still in the race DrToast Jan 2020 #65

You are correct but already written off it seems...well I am not sorry for that. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #68

When did Deval Patrick drop out of the race, StarfishSaver? I await your response. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #18

Crickets LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #145

I believe the fear of losing to Trump is causing many voters concern randr Jan 2020 #19

I agree. This pre primary nonsense doesn't work mountain grammy Jan 2020 #22

I don't vote based on race or gender n/t left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #24

Please read my OP again StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #25

No thanks left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #27

That's nice StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #55

okie dokie smokie left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #113

Booker, Harris, and Abrams are all very young exboyfil Jan 2020 #28

Was it the chicken or the egg? karynnj Jan 2020 #29

Thank you. First three sentences say it all. cp Jan 2020 #31

To my knowledge bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #32

African Americans, in large numbers, support Biden based on the content of his character, LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #33

Indeed!! So obviously the AA voters are not looking at race or color Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #38

This. cwydro Jan 2020 #47

..... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #43

I don't expect anyone to do anything; I just think that that racism, against anyone, is sad LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #45

You've completely missed the point of the OP StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #57

No, I didn't; I'm just tired of continued attempts to make this something it isn't LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #60

Of course you don't think you missed the point. That's because you missed the point. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #67

I ask again, Should Suzanne Atanus have been guaranteed a spot in the primary? LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #70

With so many supposedly "missing your point" perhaps you explained it badly Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #71

Nah; couldn't be that LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #74

I explained it very clearly. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #75

I get your post all too well Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #80

There is a fallacy there NYMinute Jan 2020 #35

Except he's ahead in polls, not in votes. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #42

The only "selection decisions" that have been made have been by the candidates themselves LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #52

Thank you! StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #58

The decision to drop out was made by the candidates themselves NYMinute Jan 2020 #83

So... what to do? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #37

This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #39

I don't know how to fix it. But we need to discuss it honestly and figure out solutions. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #81

I'm not pretending there isn't a "problem," but.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #88

I don't think you're ignoring the problem StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #92

I think 22 candidates in debates dilutes the conversation Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #95

Let's also remember that the polls mcar Jan 2020 #131

Thank You So Much!! LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #41

These complaints are getting tiring... brooklynite Jan 2020 #46

Actually, we started with three hundred and six, which underscores your point LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #53

I'm sure these observations ARE tiring to some people StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #59

+1. marble falls Jan 2020 #64

... StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #66

How many African American voters are racists, since so many are supporting Biden? brooklynite Jan 2020 #73

I agree 100%. I am tired of the explanation that there are no PoC and fewer women ... marble falls Jan 2020 #84

Oh, come on StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #142

I know, right? I get tired of pundits and "common knowlege". marble falls Jan 2020 #144

A Dem president's 2021 cabinet will look like America. Count on it. nt oasis Jan 2020 #50

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #51

It is a problem. A very big problem. I am beginning to look at Rachel Dolezal ... marble falls Jan 2020 #61

You will get the usual pushback ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #62

Thank you StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #72

The media and polls Politicub Jan 2020 #63

The three who dropped out didn't get support from POC Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #76

"The three who dropped out didn't get support from POC" How do you know? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #85

Now, Part 2... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #77

The size of the field didn't help matters lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #78

Totally agree on both your points... VarryOn Jan 2020 #153

The media polling/debate access issue is a major problem, with or without race/gender connotations. AtheistCrusader Jan 2020 #87

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #90

Not sure what you are suggesting here? Engineer Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #89

AMAZING, the denial, deflection, and defense, in the comments. Jirel Jan 2020 #93

Thank you SO much for this! StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #97

Here, here... LovingA2andMI Jan 2020 #105

We get the point just fine DrToast Jan 2020 #119

You're rejecting a premise that no one has tried to establish StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #120

No, that's exactly what you're missing DrToast Jan 2020 #121

That's not what I'm assuming StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #125

A few times I've been the only white person in the room The Mouth Jan 2020 #135

You just are proving that you DON'T get it. Jirel Jan 2020 #126

What about Hickenlooper, Inslee, or Bullock? DrToast Jan 2020 #134

Myself, I regret that there is no person of color among our top tier of candidates. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #96

Excellent post Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #99

Bottom Line: they are overwhelmingly supporting Biden The Mouth Jan 2020 #100

Its not a perfect format the primary. DeSmet Jan 2020 #101

A black female candidate shouldn't have to be a former First Lady in order to have a chance StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #106

BOTTOM LINE: Black and brown majorities choose for electability Hortensis Jan 2020 #102

As an AA, I can say that we have the most to lose if Trump is reelected - this isn't a game for us. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #104

If you don't use polls, what criteria would you use? Why should it be assumed that still_one Jan 2020 #107

How about actual primary elections? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #110

Deval Patrick, a black candidate, will be in the actual primary elections. He hasn't quit. Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #112

I definitely agree with you regarding the calender for the primary should be moved to states that still_one Jan 2020 #118

There are 100+ Democratic candidates registered with the FEC... brooklynite Jan 2020 #122

Please point to where Starfish Saver said that mcar Jan 2020 #132

Without thresholds around polling and fundraising, how do we distinguish Lee Mercer Jr tritsofme Jan 2020 #136

Don't know mcar Jan 2020 #137

I have been asking basically that same question since yesterday LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #138

... mcar Jan 2020 #139

K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #108

I believe Deval Patrick is on the California Democratic primary ballot Retrograde Jan 2020 #111

K & R geardaddy Jan 2020 #115

Did someone force Harris, Booker and Castro out of the race? brooklynite Jan 2020 #123

Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2020 #127

The reason is a lack of minorities in politics (due to racism) to give us top-tier candidates. Doodley Jan 2020 #128

In 2008 loyalsister Jan 2020 #129

This is an excellent analysis mcar Jan 2020 #130

Right-wingers derided Barack Obama as the "affirmative action president". We rightly disregarded LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #140

And I can't believe that some people are claiming that a discussion StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #141

I, and others, have asked how you would change the system, given the large LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #143

From the "How to Be An Ally as Long as it's Convenient and Not in any Way Uncomfortable" Handbook StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #146

So, you have no answer, just a veiled insinuation of racism. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #149

#3 StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #150

And if I refuse to name other communists, it proves I'm a communist; it's called a witch hunt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #151

It is unfortunate. Now the media is trying to act concerned ecstatic Jan 2020 #147

I hear you - but the amount of black support they had is beside the point StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #148

I agree that the process the DNC used this go round wasn't the best ecstatic Jan 2020 #155

I tried. RandySF Jan 2020 #152

That is beautifully laid out, Starfish. Wish I could Rec it more than once. I have been increasingly Hekate Jan 2020 #154