Democratic Primaries

Perrenial Voter

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12. The problem with this argument is that it can be directed at any

Fri Mar 29, 2019, 09:10 PM

Mar 2019

and all the candidates on the field. Some of their supporters will not vote for the nominee. Remember that 15% of Hillary's supporters voted for McCain rather than Obama; 12% of Bernie's didn't vote for Hillary.

But I guess what Alterman must be implying that large numbers of democrats won't vote for Bernie if he is the nominee, because he is saying that the most important thing is to defeat Trump. The polls from 2016 showed him beating Trump by a substantial margin, in comparison to Hillary, but we don't yet have polls comparing candidates against Trump for 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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The Liberal case against Bernie [View all] Amimnoch Mar 2019 OP

K&R stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #1

THe Nation? Me. Mar 2019 #2

Well, Alterman does straight out say "I was wrong." MH1 Mar 2019 #6

True Me. Mar 2019 #11

I must agree comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #58

I was wrong to support him before luxpara4 Apr 2019 #101

I'm sorry...converting 88% of your base to vote for someone else is pretty damn good... TCJ70 Apr 2019 #112

I used to be a big Nation reader and supporter. athena Apr 2019 #110

I don't recognize anything Liberal about that column. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #3

Seems totally accurate to me, and the source site and author have long Amimnoch Mar 2019 #4

I'm not saying he isn't liberal but the title claims a liberal case or argument aikoaiko Mar 2019 #8

+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #13

Maybe I'm not understanding. plimsoll Mar 2019 #17

Exactly! mountain grammy Mar 2019 #23

Tolerance only goes so far NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #76

and I don't ever remember Bernie being sooo negative against HRC yaesu Mar 2019 #18

He alluded, implied, and suggested that she was "corrupt" while at the same time pnwmom Mar 2019 #31

Susan Bordo: betsuni Mar 2019 #37

I witness many times that HRC was attacked by 'fellow dems'.. samnsara Mar 2019 #52

I saw a ton of negativity at the Texas state convention and the national convention Gothmog Apr 2019 #100

sounds about right to me handmade34 Mar 2019 #5

Definitely. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #121

Thank You Eric Alterman for admitting Cha Mar 2019 #7

This is an important read mcar Mar 2019 #9

The GOP has a great oppo file on sanders Gothmog Mar 2019 #79

Seems apparent they do mcar Mar 2019 #81

I disagree with the conclusion that you have drawn Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #10

It's not the positives of his message, it's the negatives of the delivery. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #46

Again, I disagree Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #47

Exactly.. we were there and Cha Apr 2019 #96

The negatives of the delivery and the constant harangue over the Democratic Party peggysue2 Apr 2019 #97

The problem with this argument is that it can be directed at any Perrenial Voter Mar 2019 #12

Nice try. louis c Mar 2019 #21

And I'm sure it didn't help that Bernie didn't' do any campaigning for Hillary in July, or August, pnwmom Mar 2019 #32

I think that's what the kids these days call anecdotal evidence. progressoid Mar 2019 #40

Again, please read my reply. louis c Mar 2019 #45

The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it waries widely, representing all view points Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #48

But the polling data doesn't lie... louis c Mar 2019 #73

When you use polling data to support an argument, it exists in a context. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #74

Look, you can reply until you are blue in the face... louis c Mar 2019 #75

Ah yes, the Daily Dogpile mac56 Mar 2019 #14

Facts from a former BS supporter. Cha Apr 2019 #108

Blame unions. And Latinos. And LGBT voters. And... progressoid Mar 2019 #15

Sad but true.. both my sons are union mountain grammy Mar 2019 #25

"Sad but true".. they believed trump's lies.. Cha Mar 2019 #56

Absolutely this! chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #26

It's anything but "fun".. It's freaking hell.. Cha Mar 2019 #54

It's a self-imposed hell. The good news is the door to that hell is open. You can leave at any time. progressoid Mar 2019 #57

BS is getting Vetted just like every Cha Mar 2019 #59

I Second This Notion and Add: Too F##King Old! DoctorJoJo Mar 2019 #16

You are exactly on target... louis c Mar 2019 #19

My problem with Bernie is and always has been is as a feminist. efhmc Mar 2019 #20

Agreed on all counts relayerbob Mar 2019 #22

Oh Please. She zentrum Mar 2019 #24

+1 chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #27

"Hillary Clinton Just Delivered the Strongest Speech of Her Campaign ... Cha Mar 2019 #29

Okay. Yes, then I'm in error. Though I have zentrum Mar 2019 #30

Hillary and Pres Obama were scheduled to go to Wisconsin Cha Mar 2019 #34

Hillary explains it: betsuni Mar 2019 #35

I know her interpretation. zentrum Mar 2019 #38

BS went to Wisconsin when Hillary and Pres Obama Cha Mar 2019 #44

Democratic voters in Wisconsin zentrum Mar 2019 #61

You're not paying attention.. Cha Mar 2019 #63

"Google searches about WikiLeaks were particularly high in swing areas with large numbers betsuni Mar 2019 #64

Moving the goalposts... (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #49

Suggest you look zentrum Mar 2019 #62

Who's neglecting it? ehrnst Mar 2019 #65

The Sanders campaign were aware of them. KitSileya Apr 2019 #113

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #114

sanders was a key tool used by Russia Gothmog Apr 2019 #109

Wouldn't have voted zentrum Apr 2019 #111

"wake up Hillary Clinton to the importance of addressing economic inequality" betsuni Mar 2019 #28

Like every woman has learned - if you say something among men, it will be ignored ehrnst Mar 2019 #50

From the smallest church committee school board meetings to the national platform, efhmc Mar 2019 #66

Who is next after we take out Bernie? watoos Mar 2019 #33

Re: The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves SFnomad Mar 2019 #39

According to some of you, Bernie just running is some terrible attack on the party Kentonio Mar 2019 #41

Mythical? Open your eyes. I'm tired of the bs. n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #42

I'm tired of the bullshit too. Kentonio Mar 2019 #68

Take your blinders off SFnomad Mar 2019 #69

What a load of crap. Kentonio Mar 2019 #70

There is a difference between constructive criticism and bashing SFnomad Mar 2019 #72

It appears you consider any criticism to be bashing Kentonio Mar 2019 #84

You're right, it is a pointless argument ... you see criticism of BS as bashing SFnomad Mar 2019 #85

Not at all. Kentonio Mar 2019 #86

That is a massive back-peddle from .... SFnomad Mar 2019 #87

It's not a backpedal at all. Kentonio Apr 2019 #88

You might want to take note ... you replied to my post. I didn't engage with you SFnomad Apr 2019 #89

Gaslighting. Sure.. Kentonio Apr 2019 #90

I am having a wonderful day and I will continue to, thanks .... you too SFnomad Apr 2019 #91

I agree - I was a big Bernie backer last time, luxpara4 Apr 2019 #102

This appears to be more of a case of "if the shoe fits," than people actually "insulting." ehrnst Mar 2019 #53

Honestly, I think everything will calm down significantly once Bernie bows out. ecstatic Apr 2019 #117

I was debating about whether to post that here BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #36

K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2019 #43

im pretty sure he wont get the nom.. samnsara Mar 2019 #51

The reason some of Sanders voters didn't vote for Hillary hughee99 Mar 2019 #55

Yes he did go negative. The following are his own words. betsuni Mar 2019 #60

I'm not saying he didn't, but after months of being called hughee99 Mar 2019 #67

Great article Gothmog Mar 2019 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurt V. Mar 2019 #77

Agreed liberal N proud Mar 2019 #78

Nominating sanders would be a bad move Gothmog Mar 2019 #80

kick nt BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #83

KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #92

High Kick! Cha Apr 2019 #93

KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #94

Here is another good editorial from the Washington Post Gothmog Apr 2019 #95

It's posted here.. Cha Apr 2019 #98

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #99

I saw the negativity of the sanders campaign up close Gothmog Apr 2019 #103

Yeah, and now it's being denied. Cha Apr 2019 #105

I was there Gothmog Apr 2019 #107

KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #104

K&R highplainsdem Apr 2019 #106

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Apr 2019 #115

His hypocritical purity isn't the only problem. He also lacks substance with regard to policy. ecstatic Apr 2019 #116

According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #118

According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #119

The choice is woke or Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #120