Democratic Primaries

Sherman A1

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47. Again, I disagree

Sat Mar 30, 2019, 08:04 AM

Mar 2019

I believe that every candidate could likely be a better messenger, who among us could not improve in one way or another. Yet, calling things the way they happen to be such as "oligarchy" and alike are I believe spot on. It doesn't seem to be a problem for the RW, Trump or the Faux News folks to say what they believe (or are paid to say) so why should a progressive pull their punches?

I don't really recall Sanders using the term "DNC RatFuckery" or the daily barrage of attacks but if you have a link(s) I would be happy to read it.

You may believe that he had no realistic path to the nomination but obviously he remained in for such things as a voice in the platform and other reasons of which we are unaware. I don't believe that his candidacy hurt Hillary at all, I would lean more towards Russian meddling in that vein.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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The Liberal case against Bernie [View all] Amimnoch Mar 2019 OP

K&R stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #1

THe Nation? Me. Mar 2019 #2

Well, Alterman does straight out say "I was wrong." MH1 Mar 2019 #6

True Me. Mar 2019 #11

I must agree comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #58

I was wrong to support him before luxpara4 Apr 2019 #101

I'm sorry...converting 88% of your base to vote for someone else is pretty damn good... TCJ70 Apr 2019 #112

I used to be a big Nation reader and supporter. athena Apr 2019 #110

I don't recognize anything Liberal about that column. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #3

Seems totally accurate to me, and the source site and author have long Amimnoch Mar 2019 #4

I'm not saying he isn't liberal but the title claims a liberal case or argument aikoaiko Mar 2019 #8

+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #13

Maybe I'm not understanding. plimsoll Mar 2019 #17

Exactly! mountain grammy Mar 2019 #23

Tolerance only goes so far NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #76

and I don't ever remember Bernie being sooo negative against HRC yaesu Mar 2019 #18

He alluded, implied, and suggested that she was "corrupt" while at the same time pnwmom Mar 2019 #31

Susan Bordo: betsuni Mar 2019 #37

I witness many times that HRC was attacked by 'fellow dems'.. samnsara Mar 2019 #52

I saw a ton of negativity at the Texas state convention and the national convention Gothmog Apr 2019 #100

sounds about right to me handmade34 Mar 2019 #5

Definitely. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #121

Thank You Eric Alterman for admitting Cha Mar 2019 #7

This is an important read mcar Mar 2019 #9

The GOP has a great oppo file on sanders Gothmog Mar 2019 #79

Seems apparent they do mcar Mar 2019 #81

I disagree with the conclusion that you have drawn Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #10

It's not the positives of his message, it's the negatives of the delivery. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #46

Again, I disagree Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #47

Exactly.. we were there and Cha Apr 2019 #96

The negatives of the delivery and the constant harangue over the Democratic Party peggysue2 Apr 2019 #97

The problem with this argument is that it can be directed at any Perrenial Voter Mar 2019 #12

Nice try. louis c Mar 2019 #21

And I'm sure it didn't help that Bernie didn't' do any campaigning for Hillary in July, or August, pnwmom Mar 2019 #32

I think that's what the kids these days call anecdotal evidence. progressoid Mar 2019 #40

Again, please read my reply. louis c Mar 2019 #45

The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it waries widely, representing all view points Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #48

But the polling data doesn't lie... louis c Mar 2019 #73

When you use polling data to support an argument, it exists in a context. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #74

Look, you can reply until you are blue in the face... louis c Mar 2019 #75

Ah yes, the Daily Dogpile mac56 Mar 2019 #14

Facts from a former BS supporter. Cha Apr 2019 #108

Blame unions. And Latinos. And LGBT voters. And... progressoid Mar 2019 #15

Sad but true.. both my sons are union mountain grammy Mar 2019 #25

"Sad but true".. they believed trump's lies.. Cha Mar 2019 #56

Absolutely this! chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #26

It's anything but "fun".. It's freaking hell.. Cha Mar 2019 #54

It's a self-imposed hell. The good news is the door to that hell is open. You can leave at any time. progressoid Mar 2019 #57

BS is getting Vetted just like every Cha Mar 2019 #59

I Second This Notion and Add: Too F##King Old! DoctorJoJo Mar 2019 #16

You are exactly on target... louis c Mar 2019 #19

My problem with Bernie is and always has been is as a feminist. efhmc Mar 2019 #20

Agreed on all counts relayerbob Mar 2019 #22

Oh Please. She zentrum Mar 2019 #24

+1 chwaliszewski Mar 2019 #27

"Hillary Clinton Just Delivered the Strongest Speech of Her Campaign ... Cha Mar 2019 #29

Okay. Yes, then I'm in error. Though I have zentrum Mar 2019 #30

Hillary and Pres Obama were scheduled to go to Wisconsin Cha Mar 2019 #34

Hillary explains it: betsuni Mar 2019 #35

I know her interpretation. zentrum Mar 2019 #38

BS went to Wisconsin when Hillary and Pres Obama Cha Mar 2019 #44

Democratic voters in Wisconsin zentrum Mar 2019 #61

You're not paying attention.. Cha Mar 2019 #63

"Google searches about WikiLeaks were particularly high in swing areas with large numbers betsuni Mar 2019 #64

Moving the goalposts... (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #49

Suggest you look zentrum Mar 2019 #62

Who's neglecting it? ehrnst Mar 2019 #65

The Sanders campaign were aware of them. KitSileya Apr 2019 #113

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #114

sanders was a key tool used by Russia Gothmog Apr 2019 #109

Wouldn't have voted zentrum Apr 2019 #111

"wake up Hillary Clinton to the importance of addressing economic inequality" betsuni Mar 2019 #28

Like every woman has learned - if you say something among men, it will be ignored ehrnst Mar 2019 #50

From the smallest church committee school board meetings to the national platform, efhmc Mar 2019 #66

Who is next after we take out Bernie? watoos Mar 2019 #33

Re: The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves SFnomad Mar 2019 #39

According to some of you, Bernie just running is some terrible attack on the party Kentonio Mar 2019 #41

Mythical? Open your eyes. I'm tired of the bs. n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #42

I'm tired of the bullshit too. Kentonio Mar 2019 #68

Take your blinders off SFnomad Mar 2019 #69

What a load of crap. Kentonio Mar 2019 #70

There is a difference between constructive criticism and bashing SFnomad Mar 2019 #72

It appears you consider any criticism to be bashing Kentonio Mar 2019 #84

You're right, it is a pointless argument ... you see criticism of BS as bashing SFnomad Mar 2019 #85

Not at all. Kentonio Mar 2019 #86

That is a massive back-peddle from .... SFnomad Mar 2019 #87

It's not a backpedal at all. Kentonio Apr 2019 #88

You might want to take note ... you replied to my post. I didn't engage with you SFnomad Apr 2019 #89

Gaslighting. Sure.. Kentonio Apr 2019 #90

I am having a wonderful day and I will continue to, thanks .... you too SFnomad Apr 2019 #91

I agree - I was a big Bernie backer last time, luxpara4 Apr 2019 #102

This appears to be more of a case of "if the shoe fits," than people actually "insulting." ehrnst Mar 2019 #53

Honestly, I think everything will calm down significantly once Bernie bows out. ecstatic Apr 2019 #117

I was debating about whether to post that here BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #36

K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2019 #43

im pretty sure he wont get the nom.. samnsara Mar 2019 #51

The reason some of Sanders voters didn't vote for Hillary hughee99 Mar 2019 #55

Yes he did go negative. The following are his own words. betsuni Mar 2019 #60

I'm not saying he didn't, but after months of being called hughee99 Mar 2019 #67

Great article Gothmog Mar 2019 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurt V. Mar 2019 #77

Agreed liberal N proud Mar 2019 #78

Nominating sanders would be a bad move Gothmog Mar 2019 #80

kick nt BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #83

KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #92

High Kick! Cha Apr 2019 #93

KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #94

Here is another good editorial from the Washington Post Gothmog Apr 2019 #95

It's posted here.. Cha Apr 2019 #98

Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #99

I saw the negativity of the sanders campaign up close Gothmog Apr 2019 #103

Yeah, and now it's being denied. Cha Apr 2019 #105

I was there Gothmog Apr 2019 #107

KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #104

K&R highplainsdem Apr 2019 #106

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Apr 2019 #115

His hypocritical purity isn't the only problem. He also lacks substance with regard to policy. ecstatic Apr 2019 #116

According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #118

According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #119

The choice is woke or Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #120