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ismnotwasm

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21. That is actually my impression to be honest

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 05:19 PM

Jan 2020

Theoretical as opposed to actual. And when he did seek the “actual” he tended to find poor examples. You know, the Soviet Union and Cuba.

To be fair to Bernie Sanders, it’s what a lot of well meaning but ultimately futile “seekers” do. Build up an ideal, then try to find an example somewhere.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Trump's Racist Demagoguery Only Works, Says Sanders, Because Too Many Americans Feel Establishment [View all] Uncle Joe Jan 2020 OP

Did he ask anyone who got coverage under the ACA if the Democratic establishment "has failed them." ehrnst Jan 2020 #1

I suppose it's easy to forget the approximately 87 million Americans Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #12

So, I'll take that as a no, and you attack multiple straw men for the win. ehrnst Jan 2020 #15

You consider the tens of millions of Americans left behind as "straw men" Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #26

No, your evasions of the topic in florid terms are the straw men. ehrnst Jan 2020 #27

You still can't name a logical, economic or moral reason Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #36

Like I said, I don't defend strawmen that others set up and attack. ehrnst Jan 2020 #45

You have no defense. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #51

"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #52

You're someone that can't defend the indefensible but in your defense, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #56

And a futher repeat of the "I know you are, but what am I?" defense. ehrnst Jan 2020 #60

Yes, your fondness for the status quo make that abundantly clear. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #78

You said "Status quo!" Anything but THAT!!! ehrnst Jan 2020 #89

There was zero attempt to get MFA (or even a public option) ArcticFox Jan 2020 #65

You're bringing facts into this.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #68

It is called reality...we didn't have the votes in the house even and the Senate was worse...I love Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #124

Would it have been better for those 87 M if ACA had not passed... brooklynite Jan 2020 #32

I know, right? In what universe does that make sense? ehrnst Jan 2020 #55

Sorry? ArcticFox Jan 2020 #70

No, the point is that the idea that there was some choice between ehrnst Jan 2020 #72

No body is saying it's "enough"... brooklynite Jan 2020 #73

+1000. ehrnst Jan 2020 #123

+1000 This is why I don't support Sanders at all in the primaries... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #125

So we should just scrap the ACA and implement a system that no one knows anything about... George II Jan 2020 #47

I prefer results that save people's lives to self-satisfied destruction of the possible ehrnst Jan 2020 #74

Right on, bother! ArcticFox Jan 2020 #62

And the Unintentionally Funny award goes to ArcticFox! OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #102

+1000 sheshe2 Jan 2020 #53

No. It's works because too many Americans are racist. ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #2

And some say that even talking about that is "identity politics." ehrnst Jan 2020 #4

I know ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #8

But if Bernie has deemed it so..... ehrnst Jan 2020 #9

Then that's too bad ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #13

He's more 30's trotskyite Socialist than the 60's left Socialists. ehrnst Jan 2020 #18

That is actually my impression to be honest ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #21

It's one thing to have beliefs, but quite another to assume that the rest of the world ehrnst Jan 2020 #29

As you noted, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #30

Yes ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #33

He is right about economic conditions but so was I when I said it 40 years ago and what matters Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #79

Exactly. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #84

There are many examples throughout history showing that... HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #11

The root cause of racism is white supremacy ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #14

Right, which is often a symptom of economic inequality. HerbChestnut Jan 2020 #17

Honey, You are trying to describe colonialism ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #23

Because they were taught as such, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #38

The Illuminati? ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #66

Who had the power in those days Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #69

Elderly, white, straight millionaire/billionaire men. ehrnst Jan 2020 #77

Well dang, for once we agree ehrnst! Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #80

White men in the top 1%!!! ehrnst Jan 2020 #82

That's logical and when a status quo institution becomes dysfunctional Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #88

Goodness, a school of red herring just swam through... ehrnst Jan 2020 #93

Which days which countries what circumstances ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #90

Stop it already with the facts.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #94

When in human history have the mega-wealthy and most powerful Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #97

You understand the basic premise of monarchies of course ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #107

+1 betsuni Jan 2020 #109

No one is born racist, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #114

+10000. ehrnst Jan 2020 #46

Let's apportion blame for racism amongst ALL the "races"/ethnic groups. Sure, there's lots of abqtommy Jan 2020 #35

No Afromania Jan 2020 #85

Reality is a "right-wing talking point"? Here in the U.S. we have a particular racist dynamic but abqtommy Jan 2020 #112

Racism is about power. ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #91

Actually, no. Racism is at the root of inequality in the country. See also: Slavery. ehrnst Jan 2020 #19

Yes, and it also works because a lot of voters are racists themselves and would actually totodeinhere Jan 2020 #3

Seriously? Is this what Beernie thinks? He must be more ignorant on racism in America than I ever beastie boy Jan 2020 #5

It's best to let him go on. When someone shows you who they are, be thankful. ehrnst Jan 2020 #10

OK this just enrages me and makes me like Sanders...less. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #6

+1000. ehrnst Jan 2020 #7

Thank you. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #25

BS. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #16

Here He Goes Again Me. Jan 2020 #20

..... ehrnst Jan 2020 #31

Progressives always wonder why they have issues reaching people of color. SaschaHM Jan 2020 #22

He reaches this POC just fine. You don't speak for us all. Autumn Jan 2020 #24

Bernie has those issues, and Bernie doesn't speak for a large group of people. ehrnst Jan 2020 #28

Bernie speaks for this POC, what you say about Bernie is irrelevant to me. End of conversation. Autumn Jan 2020 #34

Well, Bernie does not speak for me, so what you say about Bernie is irrelevant to me ehrnst Jan 2020 #37

With a flurry of endorsements, Bernie Sanders shores up Nevada support Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #40

You came to Autumn's defense - how chivalrous! ehrnst Jan 2020 #48

So you have no rebuttal to the article that I just posted, just a petty attempt at demeaning, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #50

I rebutted it. You choose to evade that. ehrnst Jan 2020 #54

Just another petty slight. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #58

Whatever validates your discomfort. ehrnst Jan 2020 #59

My comfort level is high and Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #61

Your over the top responses indicate otherwise. ehrnst Jan 2020 #63

Everything is relative, and I suppose the high road Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #76

That's one way to dismiss facts that don't confirm one's bias.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #87

No defense of me. I posted nothing about Nevada. Looks like he responded to you and you have Autumn Jan 2020 #108

"One of my friend's best friends is ME!" OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #110

You can only vote once. George II Jan 2020 #44

But what if you REAAALLLLYYYYYY want someone to win? ehrnst Jan 2020 #49

You are, in the data biz, known as a "statistically insignificant sample" brooklynite Jan 2020 #57

He SUCCESSFULLY reaches out to young POC and the younger voters. Autumn Jan 2020 #64

...who don't bother to vote with any reliability. brooklynite Jan 2020 #67

Then they need to be persuaded to get out and vote. nt. Autumn Jan 2020 #75

Well, I guess that's not been something that certain politicians who ehrnst Jan 2020 #92

But will they turn out and vote? ehrnst Jan 2020 #71

One good thing EVERYONE here will GLADLY say VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #81

I'm talking about those who are not here on DU. ehrnst Jan 2020 #86

Sure, but I wanna see everyone on this thread say Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #100

Well, there are some people who aren't online right now... ehrnst Jan 2020 #103

There ya go.. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #104

Well, they might think it implies that you believe that they would not unless they ehrnst Jan 2020 #105

There is about an 8% difference between Biden's support from young voters and Sander's... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #126

I know hundreds of people from all economic backgrounds and means, not a single one.... George II Jan 2020 #39

The "burn it all down" crew is usually the privileged white straight cis male ehrnst Jan 2020 #42

Oh good lord. W_HAMILTON Jan 2020 #41

I like "My Sweet Lord" better. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #43

Fuck that Afromania Jan 2020 #83

Here I fixed it. Eko Jan 2020 #95

People don't become disenchanted with their governments in a vacuum and Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #98

You say disenchanted Eko Jan 2020 #99

"This" Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #101

Huh. Eko Jan 2020 #106

Your link omits 100 million Americans that didn't vote, Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #113

Trump made the election about race. White nationalism increased under eight years of betsuni Jan 2020 #96

OK Bernie lunasun Jan 2020 #111

Element of truth, I think. David__77 Jan 2020 #115

History has proven you correct David Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #116

History is not on the side of a very weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #120

Bernie Sanders' real problem isn't Elizabeth Warren. It's Donald Trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #117

Trump wants to face Biden not Bernie. n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #118

In the real world, trump wants to run against a very weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #119

So Trump withheld $400 million in aid from Vermont TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #122

trump and Putin would have a very easy time crushing a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #121

trump will destory sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #127