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Drunken Irishman

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43. I fit the Bernie demographic.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020

I am white.
I am male.
I am a Millennial.

I would wager there's a good chance if you looked at demographics, the biggest support for Bernie comes from at least two of those groups (white & Millennial). That's not to say he lacks minority support, because he doesn't, but even in 2016, he consistently did worse head-to-head with Hillary with older voters, female voters and minority voters.

Most my age group is pretty dang liberal. They believe in abortion. Drug legalization. Universal healthcare. Debt forgiveness. No intervention and a rebuke of the status quo.

They also rarely vote - or don't vote consistently.

Which, as we've seen, has been the story for most every election.

In 2015, I stood in line to caucus in my state, at one of only a handful of caucus sites, for three-plus hours. None of those same friends did.

Bernie won my caucus but turnout was significantly lower than in 2008, the last time there was a competitive Democratic primary (Obama won with 57% of the vote).

In 2016, roughly 77,000 votes were cast.

In 2008, Obama won 78,538 votes on his own - with a total of 130,629‬ votes cast. That's a significant drop overall, and doesn't even account for the increase in potential voters in the 8 years between elections.

But like I said, a good amount of my friends didn't vote in the primary. They had their Bernie bumper sticker. They had their Bernie Facebook photo but they didn't vote.

I voted, though. Even though I wasn't a huge fan of Hillary.

Why do I not support Bernie? Because I feel my idealism was cooled under Barack Obama. I saw the harsh realities of how Washington works and frankly, I don't believe for one second Bernie has an actual plan to pass his agenda. And, sadly, I also don't think Bernie is pragmatic enough to get a deal done if he doesn't get all he wants.

That type of mentality will only worsen the situation.

I think it's a valid question to ask Bernie if it's Medicare 4 All or Bust.

If it's bust - then what?

That's one thing I've yet to hear from him. If you can't get M4A passed, what steps do you take to shore up the ACA? Does Bernie even have a plan to do that? I don't think he does - or will. And that's my concern.

My friends? They believe Bernie can get M4A pushed through even a GOP congress. I don't know why they think it but they do. That's great. But they don't really have an answer as to why he hasn't been able to do it despite being a senator now for over a decade.

What changes if he becomes president?

I think political idealism is a great thing but the problem with these 18 to 34 year old voters is that it's all or nothing a lot of the time. Well that approach, unfortunately, hasn't gotten us anywhere.

Our greatest leaders compromised to get what they needed passed.

FDR compromised with Social Security. The original act only allowed retirement benefits and only to those who worked.

JFK initially envisioned Medicare to cover ALL Americans but it was only passed as a health plan that covered seniors.

LBJ compromised on the Civil Rights Act by not require Affirmative Action to help level the playing field (among many other small compromises).

We saw it with the USMCA. Sanders voted no. Okay. Does he think he'd get a better deal?

That's why, despite agreeing with Bernie on most issues, I will never vote for him in the primary. No more than I'd vote for myself. Why? Because I think we need someone in the White House that doesn't cut his nose off to spite his face and, sadly, I think we'd get that with Sanders. I don't think he has any intention of being pragmatic and I guess that's why people love him. But at the end of the day, what good is that view if, four years from now, Sanders has not delivered on any major campaign promise?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Younger generations have always been attracted to socialism bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #1
I guess they're still used to living with their parents and having everything given to them. George II Jan 2020 #14
+1 TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #33
I do care about the future squirecam Jan 2020 #2
and we are in agreement. EOM tiredtoo Jan 2020 #11
What's your concern about debt? PETRUS Jan 2020 #17
I dont think it's right squirecam Jan 2020 #25
Thanks for the reply. PETRUS Jan 2020 #28
Please don't spread nonsense squirecam Jan 2020 #31
Why do you think you have correctly anticipated my thoughts on the matter? PETRUS Jan 2020 #32
The only people squirecam Jan 2020 #34
That statement is false. PETRUS Jan 2020 #36
So I was correct. squirecam Jan 2020 #37
No, you are not correct. PETRUS Jan 2020 #39
Younger folks also tend not to be bothered with voting. we can do it Jan 2020 #3
Not sure about you but, tiredtoo Jan 2020 #7
I do, but I don't single them out more than anyone else. we can do it Jan 2020 #13
Good on ya! EOM tiredtoo Jan 2020 #21
They also tend to not be as informed about current events. Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #19
Ageist comment. Agschmid Jan 2020 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #64
Most of the millenials I know Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #66
So having a lot of consumer goods tiredtoo Jan 2020 #4
Older folks have younger relatives they care about. And younger folks tend to be more naive and highplainsdem Jan 2020 #5
Unrealistic promises? tiredtoo Jan 2020 #8
They don't vote heavily though. That favors Biden. brush Jan 2020 #6
I know lots of older follks. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #9
You are not old enough to remember FDR or LBJ? EOM tiredtoo Jan 2020 #12
Neither FDR or LBJ ran as Democratic Socliaists. Sloumeau Jan 2020 #18
Ljb, FDR tiredtoo Jan 2020 #23
A few reasons: scheming daemons Jan 2020 #10
Agree 100% SharonClark Jan 2020 #26
Yep. +1 TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #35
Pie in the sky bullshit? tiredtoo Jan 2020 #15
We have to have a majority treestar Jan 2020 #67
Sanders is full of idealistic.. Maxheader Jan 2020 #16
There's more than one candidate Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #22
Check out the military expenditures and the tax cuts for the rich. EOM tiredtoo Jan 2020 #24
Bernie's plan to cut military spending - hilarious! Scurrilous Jan 2020 #40
Agreed. Nt BootinUp Jan 2020 #42
Not sure if this is still going on but tiredtoo Jan 2020 #46
That is exactly why it is so hard to cut the military budget. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #54
Sometimes to make progress tiredtoo Jan 2020 #60
One must also consider Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #55
... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #56
Like i said earlier tiredtoo Jan 2020 #59
Uhmm Yeah booley Jan 2020 #20
So do you just want to get rid of everything and start over? Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #29
No no no tiredtoo Jan 2020 #49
"workplace democracy" sounds like a great idea until you meet your coworkers mathematic Jan 2020 #30
"Does anyone wonder why that is?" myohmy2 Jan 2020 #38
So why are you supporting Warren? yardwork Jan 2020 #41
I am supporting Warren for that reason. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #44
I don't understand your OP then. yardwork Jan 2020 #45
"The status quo is good enough" tiredtoo Jan 2020 #48
I fit the Bernie demographic. Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #43
Good post thank you tiredtoo Jan 2020 #50
I see more from Warren that gives me belief she would be pragmatic. Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #58
Great post. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #65
If Bernie doesn't win the nomination I believe the nominee must reach out to them and give Autumn Jan 2020 #47
i talk to them all the time. They're well aware of the challenges coming Kurt V. Jan 2020 #51
My son is 22 and just old enough to vote in 2016. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #52
Yeah this isn't an actual argument Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #53
My daughter is 28, wicked smart, and dialed in leftieNanner Jan 2020 #57
I did not make a blanket assumption tiredtoo Jan 2020 #62
Free tuition is the reason NYMinute Jan 2020 #61
it is always about money tiredtoo Jan 2020 #63
I don't think it should be free NYMinute Jan 2020 #68
ok fine tiredtoo Jan 2020 #69
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