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Gothmog

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43. Bernie Sanders' real problem isn't Elizabeth Warren. It's Donald Trump
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 11:52 PM
Jan 2020

In the real world, trump would destroy a weak candidate like sanders. It would be really sad to see trump destroy sanders and I agree that sanders chance of being the nominee or being elected is nil




Nonetheless, Sanders faces serious obstacles to obtaining the Democratic presidential nomination. The gentle treatment he received in 2016 from the media and the Hillary Clinton campaign (which ran few negative television or media ads against him) means that many Democratic voters haven’t yet learned about the distinctly non-progressive positions he has taken on certain issues throughout his senatorial career.....

The chances of Sanders actually becoming president, however, are also close to nil. I say this because in 2016 I got a glimpse of the Republican party’s opposition research book on Sanders, which was so massive it had to be transported on a cart. The Newsweek reporter Kurt Eichenwald, who got to see some of its contents, declared that “it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn [Sanders] apart.”

According to Eichenwald, the book includes damning material such as the fact that Sanders was on unemployment until his mid-30s, that he co-sponsored a bill to ship Vermont’s nuclear waste to Texas where it would be dumped in a poor Hispanic community, that he honeymooned in the Soviet Union, and that he appeared at a 1985 rally in Nicaragua at which Sandinista supporters chanted “Here, there / the Yankee will die.” And then there’s Sanders’ fictitious essay in which he described a woman enjoying being raped by three men…

After the Trump campaign and Fox News got through weaponizing this research, the usual conservative charges against Sanders – that his domestic program would cost nearly $100tn over the next decade, that he would ban individual health insurance, send taxes into the stratosphere, and sympathize with terrorists and leftwing regimes – would seem almost benign. The Republican campaign against any Democratic presidential candidate is guaranteed to be ugly, but against Sanders it would be gruesome. The result most likely would be a Democratic wipeout on the scale of Labour’s under Jeremy Corbyn.

That’s why Sanders is the preferred Democratic nominee of Trump and his aides. It explains otherwise puzzling stories such as Trump coming to Sanders’ defense against Warren’s no-female-president claim, saying sexism is “not his deal”. And while living in Washington has made me cynical in some ways, I would not be in the least surprised if conservative dollars are swelling the coffers of Our Revolution, Sanders’ dark-money Super Pac which doesn’t have to disclose its donors.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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A particular JFK speech made him nauseous is actually what he said ... mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #1
Another hit piece on Bernie. I'm getting tired of it. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #2
You do know that these statements about sanders will be used by trump? Gothmog Jan 2020 #6
And what will trump say? booley Jan 2020 #39
trump would have a fun time painting sanders as the friend of our enemy and a hater of JFK Gothmog Jan 2020 #41
Maybe we should not base our strategy around what a liar may say? booley Jan 2020 #56
In the real world these negative ads work Gothmog Jan 2020 #57
The Cuban Missile crisis could have been avoided. U.S.policy towards Cuba brought the missiles. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #48
LOL Skittles Jan 2020 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #8
actually, stating the facts *IS* vetting Skittles Jan 2020 #11
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #12
"It's obvious that the Warren campaign has a lot of ex-Clinton staffers on it" betsuni Jan 2020 #13
that is some serious paranoia right there Skittles Jan 2020 #15
lol@HillaryCT! Cha Jan 2020 #22
This is kids stuff compred to what comes if he wins the momination. RandySF Jan 2020 #18
... LexVegas Jan 2020 #19
Yes, hitting him with these things called facts BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #20
Yohablo, if background articles on a candidate strike you Hortensis Jan 2020 #29
Yes, we've all done our homework. Seems we are reading a different set of articles. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #49
:) For SURE about that last. I've been constantly amazed, for Hortensis Jan 2020 #50
+1 betsuni Jan 2020 #55
Too bad. Cha Jan 2020 #44
"conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant" betsuni Jan 2020 #3
I don't know, it sounds like he was disgusted by what was said in the debate rather than mahina Jan 2020 #4
Sanders' support of Cuba and Fidel Castro is something that trump would use Gothmog Jan 2020 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #9
LOL betsuni Jan 2020 #10
It was an idiotic policy to try to assassinate Castro ritapria Jan 2020 #14
Uh huh BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #21
Morales was in the process of stealing an election that was illegitimate in the first place. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #24
Well said. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #27
+1 Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #36
+1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #51
RandySF, thanks for posting this. :) Sloumeau Jan 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jan 2020 #17
K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #23
This is merely the tip of the iceberg peggysue2 Jan 2020 #25
From the article: guillaumeb Jan 2020 #26
Wow. 1987. About a speech in 1960. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #28
Yeah, they "fish" for Biden, too. Cha Jan 2020 #45
ironic. boomer_wv Jan 2020 #30
A Shocking quote from Joe in 1977 ritapria Jan 2020 #31
Well, well, well .. looky here! Shocking is right rita! How is this not a reason to vote no on Joe? InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #52
So is "dredging up" old comments and votes from candiates ok or not Bradshaw3 Jan 2020 #32
I'll put Bernie's past up against Joe's ANY DAY! Its WAY past time Joe is vetted, as Bernie has been InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #53
As disturbing as Sanders support for Fidel Castro--whose widespread abuses... The Valley Below Jan 2020 #33
Great post! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #37
That's helpful. kacekwl Jan 2020 #34
Jealousy? NYMinute Jan 2020 #35
So? Polybius Jan 2020 #38
This points to a reason I would vote for Sanders if the election was today. David__77 Jan 2020 #40
So which do you think he believes? That JFK was an inspiriation or disgusted him? ehrnst Jan 2020 #42
ME TOO! Compare Bernie's mild statements to Joe's harsh words around the same time. OUCH!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #54
Bernie Sanders' real problem isn't Elizabeth Warren. It's Donald Trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #43
Thank you! Cha Jan 2020 #46
I have worked on real campaigns and I know how oppo is weaponized Gothmog Jan 2020 #47
trump has a great oppo file on sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #58
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