Democratic Primaries

ehrnst

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34. You were the one who brought party affiliation into the discussion...

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:34 PM

Jan 2020

And now you're crying foul that someone pointed out the facts about Sanders's party affiliation? So you move the goalposts?

"Effectively" served as a Dem, is not serving as a Dem, especially someone who says these things about the Democratic party.

“I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat.” 1985
“The Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt. Their ideology is opportunism.” 1986
“I am not a Democrat, period.” 1988
“the old Democrat-Republican, tweedle-dee tweedle-dum, two-party system” 1989
“greed and vulgarity perpetuated by the Democrats and Republicans” 1989
“You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.” 1988
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”
“Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?” 1990
“It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the Party.” 1990

In what 'practical terms" could this be described as "effectively serving as a Democrat?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Some history concerning the Socialist Workers Party, The Iran Hostage crisis, and Bernie Sanders [View all] ehrnst Jan 2020 OP

Interesting article Gothmog Jan 2020 #1

Interestingly, HRC did not bring it up at all in 2016. ehrnst Jan 2020 #14

sanders was mathematically eliminated after the super tueday constests Gothmog Jan 2020 #33

K&R! nt TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #2

WOW! --- That's 32 years ago left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #3

I know. Remind me how long ago the MLK March on Washington was again? ehrnst Jan 2020 #4

The one that Mitch McConnel and Charlton Heston also attended? comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #107

Yes, that very one that is apparently the one true measure of progressive activism ehrnst Jan 2020 #108

Anyone can "attend" a march... that takes very little effort at all. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #115

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #116

true - but what does he say about it today? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #5

From the article: ehrnst Jan 2020 #6

"Today, no mention of Sanders' association with the SWP appears in any campaign biography ..." left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #7

Whataboutism. He was a SWP far longer than his temporary affiliations with the Democratic Party. ehrnst Jan 2020 #11

re: "He does not serve or vote as a Democrat in the Senate" thesquanderer Jan 2020 #17

He didn't vote with the Democratic Party once between Jun 28 last year and Jan 6... George II Jan 2020 #21

Look at the bigger time frame. He's been in congress 30 years and you're talking about 6 months. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #30

Yes, behind four of his former and current rivals* for the nomination..... George II Jan 2020 #32

Every one running for President misses votes karynnj Jan 2020 #37

My point is that he's getting "credit" for not voting with trump when the reason he didn't is... George II Jan 2020 #41

Unless he is telling Schumer what his vote would have been karynnj Jan 2020 #49

I don't know, but still that wouldn't be factored into 538's "trump score". They use official votes. George II Jan 2020 #50

re: "Those 'non-votes' are included as 'not voting' WITH trump." thesquanderer Jan 2020 #156

You were the one who brought party affiliation into the discussion... ehrnst Jan 2020 #34

re: "You were the one who brought party affiliation into the discussion..." thesquanderer Jan 2020 #45

My mistake - you were jumping to the defense of someone that brought Party affiliation into this ehrnst Jan 2020 #55

re: McCain vote to preserve ACA did not indicate that he served even at that moment as a Democrat. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #155

Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" ehrnst Jan 2020 #157

Interesting analogy. Are Jews for Jesus Jewish? Christian? Can they be both? thesquanderer Jan 2020 #159

So you don't believe Bernie? "It's just semantics" ehrnst Jan 2020 #160

The party can decide who is a Democrat. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #161

He's not a Dem either dware Jan 2020 #97

no comment is very much a comment... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #8

To admit that he has any regrets, any mistakes or changes of heart ehrnst Jan 2020 #20

Wow! We have Sanders people beating on Senator Warren because she was once a Republican. NNadir Jan 2020 #61

But more recent than the time Sanders chained himself to a black woman...nt SidDithers Jan 2020 #71

Then I guess Bernie's "marching with MLK" is even more irrelevant.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #73

Some background about the author and the Daily Beast: George II Jan 2020 #9

Just out of curiosity, what things of Warren do you support? brutus smith Jan 2020 #10

What does that have to do with the OP? ehrnst Jan 2020 #12

Great question melman Jan 2020 #18

Still smarting? ehrnst Jan 2020 #35

So, no answer. brutus smith Jan 2020 #64

To your red herring? ehrnst Jan 2020 #66

Nope, not frustrated. I didn't have to edit my post twice. brutus smith Jan 2020 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #99

Still got nothing but evasions and red herrings? ehrnst Jan 2020 #102

Sanders was certainly a firebrand in that era stopdiggin Jan 2020 #13

I certainly would think that he'd be eager to state that. ehrnst Jan 2020 #15

all of that is valid. and all is ALSO well known. stopdiggin Jan 2020 #25

Bernie touts his college civil rights activities, and participating in the March on Washington ehrnst Jan 2020 #27

perhaps because it ISN'T new. and therefore represents a rehash? stopdiggin Jan 2020 #36

Again.... bringing up the MLK march, which isn't new ehrnst Jan 2020 #38

Not everyone knows this. In a national election, his past is a liability. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #118

Please stop posting these divisive posts. EOM tiredtoo Jan 2020 #16

What is 'divisive' about stating the facts? ehrnst Jan 2020 #24

Any post that is negative about a current candidate is divisive. how about something positive about tiredtoo Jan 2020 #65

They're facts. Do you think that facts that don't flatter a candidate should be ehrnst Jan 2020 #67

As a matter of fact I do tiredtoo Jan 2020 #68

Republicans are going to use my posts as "fodder?" And you want to ban such posts on DU? ehrnst Jan 2020 #69

yes i know that tiredtoo Jan 2020 #70

"Bad" historical data? ehrnst Jan 2020 #72

I don't feel i said anything bad about a candidate tiredtoo Jan 2020 #79

You were joining in, and not scolding them for being negative.. ehrnst Jan 2020 #80

oh man tiredtoo Jan 2020 #82

You complained about polls much like you complained about sharing facts ehrnst Jan 2020 #85

Sorry I do not remember complaining about polls. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #89

.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #90

Thats not a complaint. I still wonder why. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #92

"I wonder why someone would (do this)?" is a passive complaint or criticism. ehrnst Jan 2020 #103

You are really stretching it here. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #105

No, I'm not stretching anything. I'm explaining why your post appears to be a complaint. ehrnst Jan 2020 #106

The GOP already has all of this. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #77

Good point. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #78

They don't want to push this now because they want to push it in a General Election Zolorp Jan 2020 #104

Lol squirecam Jan 2020 #83

for the record i am a warren supporter tiredtoo Jan 2020 #86

Campaigns don't work that way. We need to know about the candidate, good and bad. ehrnst Jan 2020 #109

ok fine tiredtoo Jan 2020 #112

Ah, the "calm down" evasion. ehrnst Jan 2020 #114

Cool tiredtoo Jan 2020 #120

"I will pray for you" "You are like Trump." ehrnst Jan 2020 #122

Well then tiredtoo Jan 2020 #123

Bless yours, too. ehrnst Jan 2020 #137

Sorry tiredtoo Jan 2020 #147

Well, I think it will help calm you down. ehrnst Jan 2020 #148

Look in the mirror. EOM tiredtoo Jan 2020 #150

Sigh... ehrnst Jan 2020 #152

Thank you!! Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #26

You're going to change your candidate preference because someone posted some historical ehrnst Jan 2020 #39

You said you were going to do that awhile ago. Cha Jan 2020 #43

You mean.... he's said this to other Warren supporters??? ehrnst Jan 2020 #62

You're Absolutely Wrong.. Cha Jan 2020 #63

Thank you! mountain grammy Jan 2020 #59

Do you get on Joe Biden Threads and Cha Jan 2020 #74

I would if i saw one. eom tiredtoo Jan 2020 #84

uh huh Cha Jan 2020 #87

Thanks for the confirmation. tiredtoo Jan 2020 #91

They exist - here's a link to a negative Biden thread, so you can start scolding people for ehrnst Jan 2020 #141

Oh man tiredtoo Jan 2020 #145

Calm down, now... I gave you a chance to show that you indeed are ehrnst Jan 2020 #146

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #149

Again.... high blood pressure is more of a risk when one continues to ehrnst Jan 2020 #151

What "confirmation"? Can you elaborate? Cha Jan 2020 #158

It's called vetting. nini Jan 2020 #100

Ronald Radosh melman Jan 2020 #19

Shoot the messenger when the message is uncomfortable... ehrnst Jan 2020 #22

Straw man melman Jan 2020 #28

Because you say so? ehrnst Jan 2020 #29

No melman Jan 2020 #40

Perhaps you missed that the Daily Beast published the piece. ehrnst Jan 2020 #42

Ronald Radosh is not a "right winger". Read about his entire history of who he worked with, for.... George II Jan 2020 #48

Yes he is melman Jan 2020 #51

The article he wrote for the Daily Beast is even closer than "google away"! George II Jan 2020 #52

Good luck with that. ehrnst Jan 2020 #53

Good luck with what? melman Jan 2020 #56

Like I said, good luck with that. ehrnst Jan 2020 #58

lol Cha Jan 2020 #76

Ronald Radosh: George II Jan 2020 #23

From a man who joined the Army as a 17 year old kid in Oct., '80, this is incredibly relevant. Zolorp Jan 2020 #31

indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #44

Thank you for your service, Zolorp. Cha Jan 2020 #46

Thank you for your service. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #54

The Socialist Workers Party is a communist party. Now Sander tries to hide or minimize The Valley Below Jan 2020 #47

It's not good optics. I imagine that's why he excludes it from his bio, even as he ehrnst Jan 2020 #57

It's disqualifying and demoralizing. Zolorp Jan 2020 #60

Fortunately Sanders won't be our nominee. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #75

..... ehrnst Jan 2020 #81

LOL. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #88

Make up your mind Bernie Wawannabe Jan 2020 #93

This is so infuriating NYMinute Jan 2020 #94

yep... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #95

One person's "badge of honor," is another person's "badge of shame." The Valley Below Jan 2020 #124

trump has a large oppo file on sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #96

the republican... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #101

....facts matter... ehrnst Jan 2020 #113

excellent read... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #125

...one standard for Bernie, another for the rest.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #138

I'm just... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #140

...trying to be positive.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #142

He hasn't been scared enough to bribe a whole country to make up lies about Bernie. MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #117

"It matters who the candidate is." myohmy2 Jan 2020 #127

There are plenty of Congressman that don't believe it is an advantage. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #129

...some believe that anyone who attempts to vet Senator Sanders... ehrnst Jan 2020 #134

'we've all come short of the glory'... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #139

....no one requires candidates to be perfect... ehrnst Jan 2020 #143

The Clinton campaign had an amazing oppo file on sanders but did not need it Gothmog Jan 2020 #121

okay... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #128

Facts are good things Gothmog Jan 2020 #131

Apparently not for Bernie, in the opinions of some... ehrnst Jan 2020 #136

....how does one see the Sierra Blanca nuclear dump as "progressive?".. ehrnst Jan 2020 #135

....still no explanation for Sierra Blanca as 'progressive?'.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #144

We ignore that at our peril. Baggage matters. ehrnst Jan 2020 #111

K&R highplainsdem Jan 2020 #110

I suggest DUers do some research on Andrew Pulley to see just how extremist he was. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #119

Holy shit. RandySF Jan 2020 #126

K&R RandySF Jan 2020 #132

K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #130

K&R RandySF Jan 2020 #133

Again when you hear it bandied about Historic NY Jan 2020 #153

Yep... DURING the general election, it will be MUCH TOO LATE to try and redefine "socialism"... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #154