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Gothmog

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183. The evidence was provided

Reply to Tiggeroshii (Reply #179)

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:47 AM

Jan 2020

You are simply ignoring this evidence Denial is not just a river in Africa

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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sanders is on record calling for Social Security cuts [View all] Gothmog Jan 2020 OP

LOL, oh dear R B Garr Jan 2020 #1

Raise The Cap DanieRains Jan 2020 #30

another lie azureblue Jan 2020 #38

I was able to capture this...because I can use the internet....So not a lie...right there in Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #78

Thank you Gothmog Jan 2020 #90

Except he then proposed increasing it... Big Chief Jan 2020 #109

He said the same as Biden. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #142

I saw that clip...only it was some years later. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #147

Then Why did the BS campaign, sirota et al say Cha Jan 2020 #149

BS campaign Accused Biden of the same damn thing with NO Evidence.. Cha Jan 2020 #190

NO.. according to those accusing Biden of doing.. BS Cha Jan 2020 #200

Good question. nt RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #114

Talk to the BS campaign.. they are the ones who started this "inconvenient fact".. Cha Jan 2020 #189

agreed Champion Jack Jan 2020 #202

From the Bloomberg article: OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #43

I Don't See A Quote From Bernie Just Paraphrasing DanieRains Jan 2020 #54

Ditto. On Thom Hartmann's program. Doitnow Jan 2020 #59

Pish posh. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #70

Pish! Cha Feb 2020 #205

Exactly, you think he meant raise benefits to keep it solvent? Hal Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #116

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #125

You don't keep something solvent by raising benefits...nice try though. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #143

It was in the newspaper in Gothmog's post...he said it so...maybe you missed it? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #146

This is BS - adjustments have and can be made by raising the income level at which money is taken bloom Jan 2020 #193

LOL Whooops BS camp is now scrambling for spin i'm sure onetexan Jan 2020 #47

Ouch!! Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #2

Yes, it's gonna BERN! George II Jan 2020 #7

Would this be considered a Bern Notice??? Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #9

Learned decades ago Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #23

Apparently he's promising pie-in-the-sky solutions to the young and stiffing retirees onetexan Jan 2020 #49

Yes, this is their Burn Notice. Cha Jan 2020 #191

As it SHOULD! Gift for America! Cha Jan 2020 #51

Oh that pesky internet...as aoc said earlier today "some campaign as if there is no internet." Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #3

LOL Scurrilous Jan 2020 #12

Indeed!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #34

How is that different from every other afternoon? comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #35

Ha!! It isn't Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #45

LOL Scurrilous Jan 2020 #57

Another self-inflicted wound. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #4

I am smiling Gothmog Jan 2020 #5

Me too! May I say thanks, thanks and thanks...K&R as well. You are a Goddess! Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20

This makes me smile Gothmog Jan 2020 #25

Smiling ...and happy dance 💃 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #36

Me too. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #68

I am smiling as I read it...haha Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #55

All you have to do is read the quote to know the headline is bullshit ... mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #56

It is a fine headline...don't see anything wrong with it... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #99

I explained why it's bullshit, so ... mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #101

You explained why you think it is Bullshit...I disagree... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #104

I did ... and I still see nothing I'd categorize as 'urging' ... and certainly not urging 'cuts' mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #105

"ya Dems?" nolawarlock Jan 2020 #107

DemsRule86 and I are ... familiar ... mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #187

speaking of self inflicted azureblue Jan 2020 #40

The BS campaign accused Joe Biden of Cha Jan 2020 #150

myohmy!!! George II Jan 2020 #6

yEs iNdeEd-Y lapucelle Jan 2020 #102

oooops NCProgressive Jan 2020 #8

Oooooooh DanieRains Jan 2020 #31

Ooooh yes!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #37

So much for forty years of fighting. Do you think they'll redo the attack ads? Scurrilous Jan 2020 #10

Doesn't the BS campaign know Cha Jan 2020 #21

I really hate it when people act like there's no internet, lol Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #11

yep Gothmog Jan 2020 #15

And this is Bloomberg no less. Gives credence to the idea that Bloomberg is running in order Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #17

As she said this morning...some campaign as if there were no internet...come again aoc??? Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #39

Ikr.. wth are they thinking?!!!!! Cha Jan 2020 #22

Heh! Scurrilous Jan 2020 #24

Same here... This is a lie, and here is the video proof. Big Chief Jan 2020 #111

*snort* (nt) Recursion Jan 2020 #112

. RandySF Jan 2020 #13

Oh boy NYMinute Jan 2020 #14

Yeah...can you say 'hypocrite'? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #16

Oops! peggysue2 Jan 2020 #18

i was hoping you'd Cha Jan 2020 #19

Hey Cha Gothmog Jan 2020 #28

Ruh roh! EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #26

This all makes me mad. None of the major candidates are bluedye33139 Jan 2020 #27

I don't like anything about BS. Cha Jan 2020 #29

Nor do I.. great that he will not be the nominee!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #41

Agreed TwilightZone Jan 2020 #64

Yeah, So why did the BS campaign start this.. Cha Jan 2020 #67

You make a good observation. Blue_true Jan 2020 #86

Ugghhhh mac2766 Jan 2020 #32

Not at all...I am sure this must be very difficult...tsk tsk. Such a shame but you know...he didn't Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #72

Moving those goal posts... TiberiusB Jan 2020 #84

Sanders spoke of adjustments in revenue and BENEFITS. Blue_true Jan 2020 #87

It's the usual political game of semantics TiberiusB Jan 2020 #88

Being called a tax and spend democrat was something people avoided being called. Blue_true Jan 2020 #93

What will his staff say? mcar Jan 2020 #33

They will continue to try to lie, that is the only certainty. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #95

Yep mcar Jan 2020 #96

The point is that Sanders team says "adjustment" is understood to mean cuts but they say that is not Gothmog Jan 2020 #42

Oh NO they don't! They're NOT fooling Cha Jan 2020 #46

Well well well... Kahuna7 Jan 2020 #44

K&R betsuni Jan 2020 #48

Bloomberg (News) digs up a gift for Biden:. and America! Cha Jan 2020 #50

Just another smear attempt, folks. Time for another donation to Bernie!! Doitnow Jan 2020 #52

Facts are facts. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #58

You must get your facts from Fox. Let's all send another donation to Bernie. Doitnow Jan 2020 #62

No, I got mine from Bernie's mouth in this case. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #65

Link? Doitnow Jan 2020 #123

LOL BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #124

Fox and Trump like Sanders. Read the texts. You know we have an internet. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #117

You told me this sort of thing would happen even before it happened. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #76

NO.. it's the SAME THING the BS campaign is Accusing Biden Cha Jan 2020 #63

'Money can't buy you love'... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #69

Here is an email that I just got from the Biden Campaign Gothmog Jan 2020 #53

the title line is not true gothmog. no where does the link say that. for shame. :( Kurt V. Jan 2020 #60

Context. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #73

thanks i didn't get that. biden has in fact, with nuances, called for cuts to ss. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #75

You are wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #89

Fred Guttenberg.. "spin that anyway you want.. " Cha Jan 2020 #61

Ouch. calimary Jan 2020 #83

+1 betsuni Jan 2020 #113

to Fred Guttenberg.. Cha Jan 2020 #151

Why do I keep reading Democrats want to cut social security? Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #66

Falsly accusing his opponent of boomer_wv Jan 2020 #71

+10000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #74

well, while they are arguing who said what, when, tRump and the fascists are cutting SS. nt yaesu Jan 2020 #77

Yep. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #121

Ooops....Lucy you got some explaining to do. krakfiend Jan 2020 #79

Nope Sanders has some explaining to do...I picture and ad...with the Newspaper article Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #82

Again, thank you Gothmog Jan 2020 #92

No thank you! Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #98

Please copy the Newspaper article and add to your OP if you desire...to show all those who question Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #80

Thank you Gothmog Jan 2020 #94

I really appreciate your post...well done. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #97

AOC: "I don't understand why some folks run as if the internet doesn't exist." lol. wyldwolf Jan 2020 #81

Oooooohhhh, that's going to leave a mark. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #85

Yes the internet does exist. Gothmog Jan 2020 #91

Pot calls the kettle black Wawannabe Jan 2020 #100

Vetting works. lapucelle Jan 2020 #103

It just keeps coming. And it is international? What the fuck? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #118

K&R RandySF Jan 2020 #106

Bernie introduced a bill to increase Social Security around that time. Eric J in MN Jan 2020 #108

That was later. we were on our wsy to a successful midterm . Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #119

Lie. Instant fact check. Big Chief Jan 2020 #110

Year later...run up to the midterm. He said what Biden said...so if Biden meant cuts so did Sanders Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #120

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #144

Sanders said the same thing...and it is in the newspaper...but good luck with this because two can Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #145

Use of words matter, in both directions Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #122

If you read what was in the articles posted, he was looking for cuts of OTHER programs Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #126

He said... 'benefits in the newspaper...so...you don't increase benefits to get solvency now do you Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #129

He also said revenues. Go Vols Jan 2020 #135

20 years later ...OK...doesn't change the fact he used the same words Biden used...so either Sanders Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #139

Weird becuase when they were tryign to do the "Grand Bargain there was Sanders protesting it booley Jan 2020 #127

Biden never cut social security nor did Sanders...but both gave lip service to solvency...and Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #130

Yep. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #132

That is how it is done...and Obama was a master. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #133

Yes he was. Totally outmaneuvered the GOP. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #136

And this time Sanders will be vetted as he should before the General. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #138

No one has pinned him down yet on the question of how he'll do it. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #140

Sander is good on a certain spiel...I don't see much ability to write legislation or plan to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #148

There was never going to be a bargain...Obama effectively took it off the table with his poison Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #153

Both Sanders and Biden want to secure and protect Social Security. All of our candidates do. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #131

I know that and so does Sanders which is why the attacks against Biden are really wrong and are Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #134

K! Cha Jan 2020 #137

"Adjustments" could also mean raising the cap The Mouth Jan 2020 #141

He specifically mentioned benefits...I doubt either Sanders or Biden were serious...it is a game Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #152

OK, respectfully, point me to a different quote then The Mouth Jan 2020 #155

did you see gothmogs OP...the newspaper where Sanders say...'adjustments in benefits' Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #156

That article in the bottom right is showing his pleasure that we did NOT get cuts. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #154

You can not claim that adjustments mean one this is sanders says this word Gothmog Jan 2020 #157

Sanders never said adjustments are cuts Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #158

LOL Gothmog Jan 2020 #159

Do you have a video or transcript? Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #160

Denial is still not just a river in Africa Gothmog Jan 2020 #161

Genuinely I would like to see a direct quote or video of his saying that. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #163

It is in the OP...in he newspaper you will see his picture... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #164

LOL-Read the material posted -it is there Gothmog Jan 2020 #165

Nope. Nowhere in there does he say he supports cuts to social security. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #167

You are wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #170

Are you comfortable with sanders poor judgment on staffing? Gothmog Jan 2020 #172

The media has called out and expose sanders lie Gothmog Jan 2020 #196

+1 betsuni Jan 2020 #198

Here... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #166

Again. He does not say he supports cuts. He said there needs to be adjustments to the system to keep Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #168

Yes he does Gothmog Jan 2020 #173

Nope. Saying so doesnt make it the case. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #175

You are wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #176

So I've seen this before, but this tweet is not supported with any evidence Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #177

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Jan 2020 #178

The fact you are not providing evidence and only repeating a line is not doing wonders credibility Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #179

He said it right there in black and white...and why is your candidate cozying up with right wing Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #181

Provide a quote to me from the "black and white" Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #182

The evidence was provided Gothmog Jan 2020 #183

Because there is no evidence. I am the only one here that actually took a quote from the newspaper Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #184

No you are still completely wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #185

You are still wrong Gothmog Jan 2020 #186

I am glad that AOC told us about the internet Gothmog Jan 2020 #195

K&R Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #162

... Scurrilous Jan 2020 #169

So, in yet another way BS parallels trump tactics. Amimnoch Jan 2020 #171

Exactly Gothmog Jan 2020 #174

+1 Cha Jan 2020 #197

I don't trust Biden. He might be saying one thing now but... YOHABLO Jan 2020 #180

I don't "trust" the BS campaign.. Cha Jan 2020 #188

I also do not trust sanders or his campaign staff Gothmog Jan 2020 #192

Kick for that. Cha Jan 2020 #194

Sanders' Social Security 'adjustments' undercut Biden attack Gothmog Jan 2020 #199

Yes, and he doesn't tell the truth when he accuses Joe of doing what he said he didn't do - but did! lark Jan 2020 #201

This is nuts. 33taw Jan 2020 #203

Great post. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #204