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I'm hearing that lots of Bernie supporters might not vote for another candidate in the general. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

No. Think about it. MineralMan Jan 2020 #1

I have. Can you explain what I've gotten wrong? DanTex Jan 2020 #2

Sure. What if he isn't the nominee? MineralMan Jan 2020 #7

This!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #61

Because you'd lose a ton of independents and suburban moms. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #11

It didn't really work out that way last time, is one concern. DanTex Jan 2020 #29

We have some core values on equality and human rights. delisen Jan 2020 #214

I thought it was only Bernie's supporters who weren't blue no matter who. redqueen Jan 2020 #215

I'd say read my post again...I didn't mention Dems. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #218

It is called holding the election hostage. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #82

Does that also apply to centrists who would vote Biden but not for a socialist? DanTex Jan 2020 #83

Who are they? MineralMan Jan 2020 #84

Maybe there aren't any. But I keep hearing about moderates who would vote Biden but not vote DanTex Jan 2020 #87

Well, everyone here has said so. I know I have. MineralMan Jan 2020 #90

If that's the case, nolawarlock Jan 2020 #118

Good question. DanTex Jan 2020 #164

I would object to all of it ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #223

Are those voters threatening to withhold their vote? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #91

I will vote for our nominee period. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #128

Thanks for the common sense reply. johnnyplankton Jan 2020 #159

And then what? dware Jan 2020 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #8

Except that fantasy isn't going to happen. dware Jan 2020 #13

Don't forget Hillary, unity to defeat Trump! jalan48 Jan 2020 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #21

Don't worry. Few people have forgotten. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #26

Exactly... so there's no problem, that is, unless Biden supporters refuse to vote for Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #100

It won't be Biden supporters...but AA VOTERS. He should never have celebrated Rogan Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #224

I have no doubt!! It's the right thing for Biden to do!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #222

I have never made a vote Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #4

This. nolawarlock Jan 2020 #119

I would vote blue in spite of the threats Rorey Jan 2020 #180

Of course. Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #185

Lol, me too Rorey Jan 2020 #209

gee which candidate has spent a career criticizing the democratic party? nt msongs Jan 2020 #5

I'm sure there also are many voters who PatSeg Jan 2020 #6

If any so-called Democrats won't support a candidate because it's not Bernie, grumpyduck Jan 2020 #9

my candidate or no candidate is not a supporter, it is a cult member Skittles Jan 2020 #14

Democrats can't win on their own....it's usually a coalition including OnDoutside Jan 2020 #20

of course this is true. nolawarlock Jan 2020 #120

Most Democrats will support the nominee. The Rogan types never planned to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #225

LOL Skittles Jan 2020 #10

Agreed squirecam Jan 2020 #19

So if that's the case just what kind of people are they really? Are they REALLY Dem's if they UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #12

Ah yes... let's appease the blackmailers. -- GMAFB! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #15

I don't think referring to voters as "butthurt losers" is a great way to go. DanTex Jan 2020 #37

There are plenty of independents, like my wife, who won't vote for Bernie redstateblues Jan 2020 #52

Well what about Biden...she won't vote for Biden??? nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #65

She will vote for Biden-possibility Warren redstateblues Jan 2020 #220

Stay home? There are other elections in November Retrograde Jan 2020 #116

Believe me- I make sure she will vote for somebody redstateblues Jan 2020 #221

Joe Rogan endorsed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #85

Well I never believed calling Hillary worse than trump was the best way to go. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #93

... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #99

Yes let's pander to a small minority and see how that pans out. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #64

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #66

Extortion? Pantagruel Jan 2020 #16

You picked up on it too. Sort of telling someone that if they do X, you break their leg. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #117

It means need to aim our efforts elsewhere. delisen Jan 2020 #18

Bernie squirecam Jan 2020 #22

Dan, that's just wrong. blm Jan 2020 #23

A lot of Bernie supporters sat out the last general election calguy Jan 2020 #24

They are happy. The hardcore people would rather have dump any day than 'her'. They are UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #67

The real reality is ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #122

Need to vote for Rebl2 Jan 2020 #25

You want to build a party based on a RELIABLE group of voters Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jan 2020 #28

You are correct. Bernie is bringing in people who will vote for him, but not any other Dem nominee aikoaiko Jan 2020 #30

I would not assume that...DU isn't the real world. While I don't doubt any here will vote Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56

Let's say that's true. Wouldn't that mean that the supporters of other candidates are just DanTex Jan 2020 #73

I guess I should congratulate those with the resources to ride out another four years of Trump RandySF Jan 2020 #31

By voting for Bernie or not voting for the Democrat at all? Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #39

Bernie will lose the general. He has my vote but it would be a disaster of Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #226

Negotiating with terrorists is never a good idea. Squinch Jan 2020 #32

I hear that is bullshit being sold by people trying to create trouble that doesn't exist. CentralMass Jan 2020 #33

Are you not on social media? nolawarlock Jan 2020 #123

And Trump is trying to stir it by expressing sympathy dawg day Jan 2020 #133

Trump likes sanders ...Jesus. He says nice things. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #227

I sincerely hope none of my friends do this CanonRay Jan 2020 #34

I hope not too. My sis really doesn't like Sanders. I tell her she has to vote Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #228

Sorry. I don't buy it. maryallen Jan 2020 #35

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #36

Sounds like a threat Generic Brad Jan 2020 #38

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #58

I can't believe this is seriously being considered.... SergeStorms Jan 2020 #40

I'm not threatening anyone. DanTex Jan 2020 #43

they're cult members if they will only vote for one person Skittles Jan 2020 #48

I meant said candidate's supporters..... SergeStorms Jan 2020 #54

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #131

So ... Vote for Bernie, or else? left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #41

I will not be blackmailed. "Vote for me or else i will screw the Democratic party" still_one Jan 2020 #42

Wait, I didn't say that at all. DanTex Jan 2020 #45

I didn't say you. I said what kind of supporters would do that? still_one Jan 2020 #50

I'd guess supporters that really like one candidate and not so much the others. DanTex Jan 2020 #51

Supporters like that do not care if trump is re-elected, and that speaks volumes still_one Jan 2020 #53

They are not Democrats then and we will not be blackmailed by them. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #68

What about the centrists we keep hearing about that would vote for (say) Biden but not a socialist? DanTex Jan 2020 #72

Because in that poll it was the Sanders people, and to be fair also Yang's who said they would UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #88

Again ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #124

Biden has always been a Democrat treestar Jan 2020 #125

A lot of Bernie supporters are not Democrats NCProgressive Jan 2020 #44

Right, but non-Dems still get to vote in the general election. DanTex Jan 2020 #47

Many I encounter are only currently registered as Democrats so they can vote in closed primaries. m-lekktor Jan 2020 #130

Thank you squirecam Jan 2020 #200

90% of Bernie's supporters voted for Hillary in the 2016 GE iwannaknow Jan 2020 #46

Only 84% did ... even less in MI and WI NCProgressive Jan 2020 #49

... of those who voted. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #62

Precisely - the ones who stayed home are omitted NCProgressive Jan 2020 #76

If they think Trump is better than a Democratic President, they are as cynical as Trump voters Raven123 Jan 2020 #55

They suck, I agree. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #59

Yes it is a GOOD thing if true Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #57

No, it is liability. He should not have been permitted to run as a Democrat unless he signed an Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #60

A liability who happens to dot he best with independents? Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #70

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #71

The election is 10 months away. Let's breathe a little. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #63

In my opinion, this suggestion is a form of manipulation showblue22 Jan 2020 #69

welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2020 #205

Based on one poll? kurtcagle Jan 2020 #74

You don't see this as a threat? mcar Jan 2020 #75

I'm definitely not threatening anyone, to be clear. DanTex Jan 2020 #78

Please point to any data that says that a high percentage of Biden supporters mcar Jan 2020 #96

None that I know of. DanTex Jan 2020 #97

Biden can get the black vote. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #101

So do you think many African Americans simply The Mouth Jan 2020 #104

No. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #106

YES, THANK YOU The Mouth Jan 2020 #112

Then they vote for the Democratic Candidate that does. nt sheshe2 Jan 2020 #114

More than 40% of Bernie supporters mcar Jan 2020 #102

Bazinga! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #108

This line of reasoning has me mcar Jan 2020 #110

Lol! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #115

They are definitely threatening just like 2016. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #129

Same story as 2016... Oldest_Millenial Jan 2020 #77

Change can be very very bad. squirecam Jan 2020 #201

They believe another term for trump or similar GOPer will lead to revolution to install Sanders, etc Hoyt Jan 2020 #79

It's a similar problem to what republicans have. Turbineguy Jan 2020 #80

VOTE FOR BERNIE OR YOUR PARTY GETS IT. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #81

Nice party you got there... MineralMan Jan 2020 #86

Your concern is noted about what you've "heard." Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #89

Perhaps Bernie supporters will just write in Bernie's name. (n/t) spin Jan 2020 #92

We all know how well that turned out in 2016 liberal N proud Jan 2020 #94

We didn't nominate Bernie in 2016. DanTex Jan 2020 #107

You mean giving the nomination to the choice of Democrats by a huge margin was ehrnst Jan 2020 #134

Nobody "gave" anyone the nomination. Hillary won the nomination. DanTex Jan 2020 #136

Why do you think that the outcome of the General election would have been different had ehrnst Jan 2020 #140

I don't know if it would have been different. The polls said so, but there's no way to know. DanTex Jan 2020 #142

What polls? ehrnst Jan 2020 #144

The ones that have been posted here. DanTex Jan 2020 #147

Stay on topic: the polls you mention in post #142 that say the outcome of the 2016 General election ehrnst Jan 2020 #150

You're right. I was thinking of different polls. Here you go. DanTex Jan 2020 #152

Well those didn't turn out to be very accurate in terms of predicting the eventual ehrnst Jan 2020 #161

Actually, yes, they were. Hillary consistently polled ahead of Bernie, and she won the nomination. DanTex Jan 2020 #165

Um... you just changed polls again... ehrnst Jan 2020 #171

I haven't switched anything. It's the same link I've posted 3 times. DanTex Jan 2020 #175

You keep switching - saying that that poll is from the primaries, then the General... ehrnst Jan 2020 #176

The Bernie vs Trump polls from 2016 are general election polls. DanTex Jan 2020 #178

The "general election" refers to what the poll is asking about. Look at the dates... ehrnst Jan 2020 #182

Yes, that's correct. Polls about the General Election DanTex Jan 2020 #184

There were none. That's what I was trying to tell you. ehrnst Jan 2020 #187

Of course there were. Tons of them, which I linked to in RCP. DanTex Jan 2020 #190

There were none after August 2016, which is when the General Election started.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #191

I think we're in agreement. DanTex Jan 2020 #192

So it's 'impossible' to know what would have happened to that number in a GE ehrnst Jan 2020 #198

That's correct, it's impossible to know. DanTex Jan 2020 #199

Different like McGovern? ehrnst Jan 2020 #216

+1, there seems to be a malfunction junction. nt R B Garr Jan 2020 #195

Since Sanders never campaigned.... no way we will ever know. So those polls Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #229

Exactly liberal N proud Jan 2020 #219

I see what you're saying... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #95

That's a nice party you have there. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #98

You floated this balloon on another thread. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #103

I believe you mean a lot of Trump supporters whistler162 Jan 2020 #105

No, that's like paying ransom to terrorists. Bernie has a responsibility to the nation to convince bitterross Jan 2020 #109

Okay, I'll vote for Sanders in the Illinois primary. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #111

An honest question The Mouth Jan 2020 #113

You post this as your initial post yet ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #121

Been posted here as well, and hell fucking no. Amimnoch Jan 2020 #126

No. betsuni Jan 2020 #127

Is all the support really Bernies' or just repugs trying to get the candidate they want? lark Jan 2020 #132

Im not going to be held hostage fallout87 Jan 2020 #135

You think perceived threats by a candidates' supporters is a valid reason ehrnst Jan 2020 #137

It's essentially a threat to take hostages if a ransom/votes are not delivered. wyldwolf Jan 2020 #138

I agree. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #141

Well, there's electability and there's policy. DanTex Jan 2020 #139

So you think that threats from "a big chunk" of a candidate's supporters ehrnst Jan 2020 #143

No more or less than "threats" from centrists who won't vote for a socialist. DanTex Jan 2020 #145

So, no you still can't quantify what "chunk of his voters" is, but somehow ehrnst Jan 2020 #148

I linked to one such poll in my last response. DanTex Jan 2020 #149

Yes, you are responding to it as a threat in your OP. ehrnst Jan 2020 #154

Again, only you are using the word "threat". Why would you characterize it that way? DanTex Jan 2020 #156

Your OP characterizes it as a viable threat to the chances of anyone but Sanders. ehrnst Jan 2020 #163

Absolutely not. You're reading that into my post. DanTex Jan 2020 #166

"A chunk" once again.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #167

It's been amusing watching the Biden camp lose their shit over this. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #146

I'm hearing that lots of Republicans are crossing over to vote for Bernie in the Democratic primary. R B Garr Jan 2020 #151

Really? I haven't heard that at all. Independents maybe, but not Republicans. DanTex Jan 2020 #153

I've heard it plenty. It's hard to believe you have never heard that. R B Garr Jan 2020 #155

Anecdotally, I've heard lots of things. DanTex Jan 2020 #157

That's pretty hilarious that you think Rush Limbaugh is not mainstream Republican media. R B Garr Jan 2020 #162

When did I say that? This is the first I'm hearing of Rush Limbaugh this thread. DanTex Jan 2020 #168

That's laughable you know anecdotal things about all the Joe Rogan listeners, yet make snide R B Garr Jan 2020 #170

What anecdotal things about Joe Rogan? DanTex Jan 2020 #173

You've had post after post for days about Joe Rogan. You have had many false analogies R B Garr Jan 2020 #181

Mueller Report ehrnst Jan 2020 #188

Who would ever say it was a significant portion, lol. R B Garr Jan 2020 #211

There's no reason for any Republican in California The Mouth Jan 2020 #204

Yes, it's definitely a well-known strategy. nt R B Garr Jan 2020 #213

Maybe you should stop engaging in speculation johnnyplankton Jan 2020 #158

Please don't compare me to Trump. DanTex Jan 2020 #160

You are being vague and avoiding actual citations... when someone challenges you on ehrnst Jan 2020 #169

I've given citations. I'll give them again if you want. DanTex Jan 2020 #172

"Chunk" is a quantifiable term, and you refuse to specify what it is. ehrnst Jan 2020 #174

I see why you are confused. DanTex Jan 2020 #177

You keep posting a poll you say is from from the General election 2016, but it was from May 2016. ehrnst Jan 2020 #179

It's a General Election 2016 poll from May. DanTex Jan 2020 #183

Again... in May 2016... ehrnst Jan 2020 #186

Isn't that what I said? GE polls from May 2016. DanTex Jan 2020 #189

No, you said GE polls, which is a poll taken during the GE. ehrnst Jan 2020 #193

I meant the subject was the General Election, not the time was the General Election. DanTex Jan 2020 #194

When you say "General election polls" that means polls taken during the GE. ehrnst Jan 2020 #196

I meant "polls about the General Election", sorry for the confusion, but it's cleared up now. DanTex Jan 2020 #197

And then there might be voters... Huin Jan 2020 #202

There might be, but people who think of Bernie's plans as "communism" are probably a lost cause. DanTex Jan 2020 #203

Never been to one and never will, but ... Huin Jan 2020 #207

I don't think Trump has any "ideals". He just wants power and money for himself. DanTex Jan 2020 #210

Those are Trumps ideals...n/t Huin Jan 2020 #212

Just more effort to turn people against Bernie and his supporters. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #206

What if I told you a large chunk of that crowd Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #208

Yeah, implied extortion is a great way to win allies... Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #217

That coin has two sides FBaggins Jan 2020 #230

I was done with Bernie Nikki28 Jan 2020 #231

The email thing. Like when he said "I don't care about your damn emails"? DanTex Jan 2020 #232