Democratic Primaries

nolawarlock

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119. This.

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 01:00 AM

Jan 2020

I have resolved to vote blue no matter who. Heck, I'd vote for Cindy Loo Hoo Who Was No More than Too If She Were Blue. But those kinda threats from the Berners (which I've seen across social media from his people and no other candidates) are the only thing that has made me actual consider staying home.

I was a big Hillary supporter in 2016. I hated Trump then and I hate him more now, but the man saved me tens of thousands in taxes and, so far, my [gay] marriage is intact. My point is, the average screaming Bernie supporter has far more to lose than some of us whose hatred of Trump goes far beyond economics. And more than this, their ultimatums will hurt many poor and marginalized people who don't have the luxury of wading through the sludge of another four years of Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I'm hearing that lots of Bernie supporters might not vote for another candidate in the general. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

No. Think about it. MineralMan Jan 2020 #1

I have. Can you explain what I've gotten wrong? DanTex Jan 2020 #2

Sure. What if he isn't the nominee? MineralMan Jan 2020 #7

This!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #61

Because you'd lose a ton of independents and suburban moms. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #11

It didn't really work out that way last time, is one concern. DanTex Jan 2020 #29

We have some core values on equality and human rights. delisen Jan 2020 #214

I thought it was only Bernie's supporters who weren't blue no matter who. redqueen Jan 2020 #215

I'd say read my post again...I didn't mention Dems. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #218

It is called holding the election hostage. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #82

Does that also apply to centrists who would vote Biden but not for a socialist? DanTex Jan 2020 #83

Who are they? MineralMan Jan 2020 #84

Maybe there aren't any. But I keep hearing about moderates who would vote Biden but not vote DanTex Jan 2020 #87

Well, everyone here has said so. I know I have. MineralMan Jan 2020 #90

If that's the case, nolawarlock Jan 2020 #118

Good question. DanTex Jan 2020 #164

I would object to all of it ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #223

Are those voters threatening to withhold their vote? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #91

I will vote for our nominee period. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #128

Thanks for the common sense reply. johnnyplankton Jan 2020 #159

And then what? dware Jan 2020 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #8

Except that fantasy isn't going to happen. dware Jan 2020 #13

Don't forget Hillary, unity to defeat Trump! jalan48 Jan 2020 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #21

Don't worry. Few people have forgotten. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #26

Exactly... so there's no problem, that is, unless Biden supporters refuse to vote for Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #100

It won't be Biden supporters...but AA VOTERS. He should never have celebrated Rogan Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #224

I have no doubt!! It's the right thing for Biden to do!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #222

I have never made a vote Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #4

This. nolawarlock Jan 2020 #119

I would vote blue in spite of the threats Rorey Jan 2020 #180

Of course. Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #185

Lol, me too Rorey Jan 2020 #209

gee which candidate has spent a career criticizing the democratic party? nt msongs Jan 2020 #5

I'm sure there also are many voters who PatSeg Jan 2020 #6

If any so-called Democrats won't support a candidate because it's not Bernie, grumpyduck Jan 2020 #9

my candidate or no candidate is not a supporter, it is a cult member Skittles Jan 2020 #14

Democrats can't win on their own....it's usually a coalition including OnDoutside Jan 2020 #20

of course this is true. nolawarlock Jan 2020 #120

Most Democrats will support the nominee. The Rogan types never planned to Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #225

LOL Skittles Jan 2020 #10

Agreed squirecam Jan 2020 #19

So if that's the case just what kind of people are they really? Are they REALLY Dem's if they UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #12

Ah yes... let's appease the blackmailers. -- GMAFB! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #15

I don't think referring to voters as "butthurt losers" is a great way to go. DanTex Jan 2020 #37

There are plenty of independents, like my wife, who won't vote for Bernie redstateblues Jan 2020 #52

Well what about Biden...she won't vote for Biden??? nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #65

She will vote for Biden-possibility Warren redstateblues Jan 2020 #220

Stay home? There are other elections in November Retrograde Jan 2020 #116

Believe me- I make sure she will vote for somebody redstateblues Jan 2020 #221

Joe Rogan endorsed Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #85

Well I never believed calling Hillary worse than trump was the best way to go. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #93

... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #99

Yes let's pander to a small minority and see how that pans out. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #64

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #66

Extortion? Pantagruel Jan 2020 #16

You picked up on it too. Sort of telling someone that if they do X, you break their leg. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #117

It means need to aim our efforts elsewhere. delisen Jan 2020 #18

Bernie squirecam Jan 2020 #22

Dan, that's just wrong. blm Jan 2020 #23

A lot of Bernie supporters sat out the last general election calguy Jan 2020 #24

They are happy. The hardcore people would rather have dump any day than 'her'. They are UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #67

The real reality is ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #122

Need to vote for Rebl2 Jan 2020 #25

You want to build a party based on a RELIABLE group of voters Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jan 2020 #28

You are correct. Bernie is bringing in people who will vote for him, but not any other Dem nominee aikoaiko Jan 2020 #30

I would not assume that...DU isn't the real world. While I don't doubt any here will vote Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #56

Let's say that's true. Wouldn't that mean that the supporters of other candidates are just DanTex Jan 2020 #73

I guess I should congratulate those with the resources to ride out another four years of Trump RandySF Jan 2020 #31

By voting for Bernie or not voting for the Democrat at all? Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #39

Bernie will lose the general. He has my vote but it would be a disaster of Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #226

Negotiating with terrorists is never a good idea. Squinch Jan 2020 #32

I hear that is bullshit being sold by people trying to create trouble that doesn't exist. CentralMass Jan 2020 #33

Are you not on social media? nolawarlock Jan 2020 #123

And Trump is trying to stir it by expressing sympathy dawg day Jan 2020 #133

Trump likes sanders ...Jesus. He says nice things. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #227

I sincerely hope none of my friends do this CanonRay Jan 2020 #34

I hope not too. My sis really doesn't like Sanders. I tell her she has to vote Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #228

Sorry. I don't buy it. maryallen Jan 2020 #35

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #36

Sounds like a threat Generic Brad Jan 2020 #38

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #58

I can't believe this is seriously being considered.... SergeStorms Jan 2020 #40

I'm not threatening anyone. DanTex Jan 2020 #43

they're cult members if they will only vote for one person Skittles Jan 2020 #48

I meant said candidate's supporters..... SergeStorms Jan 2020 #54

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #131

So ... Vote for Bernie, or else? left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #41

I will not be blackmailed. "Vote for me or else i will screw the Democratic party" still_one Jan 2020 #42

Wait, I didn't say that at all. DanTex Jan 2020 #45

I didn't say you. I said what kind of supporters would do that? still_one Jan 2020 #50

I'd guess supporters that really like one candidate and not so much the others. DanTex Jan 2020 #51

Supporters like that do not care if trump is re-elected, and that speaks volumes still_one Jan 2020 #53

They are not Democrats then and we will not be blackmailed by them. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #68

What about the centrists we keep hearing about that would vote for (say) Biden but not a socialist? DanTex Jan 2020 #72

Because in that poll it was the Sanders people, and to be fair also Yang's who said they would UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #88

Again ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #124

Biden has always been a Democrat treestar Jan 2020 #125

A lot of Bernie supporters are not Democrats NCProgressive Jan 2020 #44

Right, but non-Dems still get to vote in the general election. DanTex Jan 2020 #47

Many I encounter are only currently registered as Democrats so they can vote in closed primaries. m-lekktor Jan 2020 #130

Thank you squirecam Jan 2020 #200

90% of Bernie's supporters voted for Hillary in the 2016 GE iwannaknow Jan 2020 #46

Only 84% did ... even less in MI and WI NCProgressive Jan 2020 #49

... of those who voted. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #62

Precisely - the ones who stayed home are omitted NCProgressive Jan 2020 #76

If they think Trump is better than a Democratic President, they are as cynical as Trump voters Raven123 Jan 2020 #55

They suck, I agree. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #59

Yes it is a GOOD thing if true Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #57

No, it is liability. He should not have been permitted to run as a Democrat unless he signed an Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #60

A liability who happens to dot he best with independents? Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #70

+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #71

The election is 10 months away. Let's breathe a little. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #63

In my opinion, this suggestion is a form of manipulation showblue22 Jan 2020 #69

welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2020 #205

Based on one poll? kurtcagle Jan 2020 #74

You don't see this as a threat? mcar Jan 2020 #75

I'm definitely not threatening anyone, to be clear. DanTex Jan 2020 #78

Please point to any data that says that a high percentage of Biden supporters mcar Jan 2020 #96

None that I know of. DanTex Jan 2020 #97

Biden can get the black vote. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #101

So do you think many African Americans simply The Mouth Jan 2020 #104

No. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #106

YES, THANK YOU The Mouth Jan 2020 #112

Then they vote for the Democratic Candidate that does. nt sheshe2 Jan 2020 #114

More than 40% of Bernie supporters mcar Jan 2020 #102

Bazinga! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #108

This line of reasoning has me mcar Jan 2020 #110

Lol! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #115

They are definitely threatening just like 2016. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #129

Same story as 2016... Oldest_Millenial Jan 2020 #77

Change can be very very bad. squirecam Jan 2020 #201

They believe another term for trump or similar GOPer will lead to revolution to install Sanders, etc Hoyt Jan 2020 #79

It's a similar problem to what republicans have. Turbineguy Jan 2020 #80

VOTE FOR BERNIE OR YOUR PARTY GETS IT. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #81

Nice party you got there... MineralMan Jan 2020 #86

Your concern is noted about what you've "heard." Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #89

Perhaps Bernie supporters will just write in Bernie's name. (n/t) spin Jan 2020 #92

We all know how well that turned out in 2016 liberal N proud Jan 2020 #94

We didn't nominate Bernie in 2016. DanTex Jan 2020 #107

You mean giving the nomination to the choice of Democrats by a huge margin was ehrnst Jan 2020 #134

Nobody "gave" anyone the nomination. Hillary won the nomination. DanTex Jan 2020 #136

Why do you think that the outcome of the General election would have been different had ehrnst Jan 2020 #140

I don't know if it would have been different. The polls said so, but there's no way to know. DanTex Jan 2020 #142

What polls? ehrnst Jan 2020 #144

The ones that have been posted here. DanTex Jan 2020 #147

Stay on topic: the polls you mention in post #142 that say the outcome of the 2016 General election ehrnst Jan 2020 #150

You're right. I was thinking of different polls. Here you go. DanTex Jan 2020 #152

Well those didn't turn out to be very accurate in terms of predicting the eventual ehrnst Jan 2020 #161

Actually, yes, they were. Hillary consistently polled ahead of Bernie, and she won the nomination. DanTex Jan 2020 #165

Um... you just changed polls again... ehrnst Jan 2020 #171

I haven't switched anything. It's the same link I've posted 3 times. DanTex Jan 2020 #175

You keep switching - saying that that poll is from the primaries, then the General... ehrnst Jan 2020 #176

The Bernie vs Trump polls from 2016 are general election polls. DanTex Jan 2020 #178

The "general election" refers to what the poll is asking about. Look at the dates... ehrnst Jan 2020 #182

Yes, that's correct. Polls about the General Election DanTex Jan 2020 #184

There were none. That's what I was trying to tell you. ehrnst Jan 2020 #187

Of course there were. Tons of them, which I linked to in RCP. DanTex Jan 2020 #190

There were none after August 2016, which is when the General Election started.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #191

I think we're in agreement. DanTex Jan 2020 #192

So it's 'impossible' to know what would have happened to that number in a GE ehrnst Jan 2020 #198

That's correct, it's impossible to know. DanTex Jan 2020 #199

Different like McGovern? ehrnst Jan 2020 #216

+1, there seems to be a malfunction junction. nt R B Garr Jan 2020 #195

Since Sanders never campaigned.... no way we will ever know. So those polls Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #229

Exactly liberal N proud Jan 2020 #219

I see what you're saying... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #95

That's a nice party you have there. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #98

You floated this balloon on another thread. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #103

I believe you mean a lot of Trump supporters whistler162 Jan 2020 #105

No, that's like paying ransom to terrorists. Bernie has a responsibility to the nation to convince bitterross Jan 2020 #109

Okay, I'll vote for Sanders in the Illinois primary. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #111

An honest question The Mouth Jan 2020 #113

You post this as your initial post yet ... nolawarlock Jan 2020 #121

Been posted here as well, and hell fucking no. Amimnoch Jan 2020 #126

No. betsuni Jan 2020 #127

Is all the support really Bernies' or just repugs trying to get the candidate they want? lark Jan 2020 #132

Im not going to be held hostage fallout87 Jan 2020 #135

You think perceived threats by a candidates' supporters is a valid reason ehrnst Jan 2020 #137

It's essentially a threat to take hostages if a ransom/votes are not delivered. wyldwolf Jan 2020 #138

I agree. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #141

Well, there's electability and there's policy. DanTex Jan 2020 #139

So you think that threats from "a big chunk" of a candidate's supporters ehrnst Jan 2020 #143

No more or less than "threats" from centrists who won't vote for a socialist. DanTex Jan 2020 #145

So, no you still can't quantify what "chunk of his voters" is, but somehow ehrnst Jan 2020 #148

I linked to one such poll in my last response. DanTex Jan 2020 #149

Yes, you are responding to it as a threat in your OP. ehrnst Jan 2020 #154

Again, only you are using the word "threat". Why would you characterize it that way? DanTex Jan 2020 #156

Your OP characterizes it as a viable threat to the chances of anyone but Sanders. ehrnst Jan 2020 #163

Absolutely not. You're reading that into my post. DanTex Jan 2020 #166

"A chunk" once again.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #167

It's been amusing watching the Biden camp lose their shit over this. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2020 #146

I'm hearing that lots of Republicans are crossing over to vote for Bernie in the Democratic primary. R B Garr Jan 2020 #151

Really? I haven't heard that at all. Independents maybe, but not Republicans. DanTex Jan 2020 #153

I've heard it plenty. It's hard to believe you have never heard that. R B Garr Jan 2020 #155

Anecdotally, I've heard lots of things. DanTex Jan 2020 #157

That's pretty hilarious that you think Rush Limbaugh is not mainstream Republican media. R B Garr Jan 2020 #162

When did I say that? This is the first I'm hearing of Rush Limbaugh this thread. DanTex Jan 2020 #168

That's laughable you know anecdotal things about all the Joe Rogan listeners, yet make snide R B Garr Jan 2020 #170

What anecdotal things about Joe Rogan? DanTex Jan 2020 #173

You've had post after post for days about Joe Rogan. You have had many false analogies R B Garr Jan 2020 #181

Mueller Report ehrnst Jan 2020 #188

Who would ever say it was a significant portion, lol. R B Garr Jan 2020 #211

There's no reason for any Republican in California The Mouth Jan 2020 #204

Yes, it's definitely a well-known strategy. nt R B Garr Jan 2020 #213

Maybe you should stop engaging in speculation johnnyplankton Jan 2020 #158

Please don't compare me to Trump. DanTex Jan 2020 #160

You are being vague and avoiding actual citations... when someone challenges you on ehrnst Jan 2020 #169

I've given citations. I'll give them again if you want. DanTex Jan 2020 #172

"Chunk" is a quantifiable term, and you refuse to specify what it is. ehrnst Jan 2020 #174

I see why you are confused. DanTex Jan 2020 #177

You keep posting a poll you say is from from the General election 2016, but it was from May 2016. ehrnst Jan 2020 #179

It's a General Election 2016 poll from May. DanTex Jan 2020 #183

Again... in May 2016... ehrnst Jan 2020 #186

Isn't that what I said? GE polls from May 2016. DanTex Jan 2020 #189

No, you said GE polls, which is a poll taken during the GE. ehrnst Jan 2020 #193

I meant the subject was the General Election, not the time was the General Election. DanTex Jan 2020 #194

When you say "General election polls" that means polls taken during the GE. ehrnst Jan 2020 #196

I meant "polls about the General Election", sorry for the confusion, but it's cleared up now. DanTex Jan 2020 #197

And then there might be voters... Huin Jan 2020 #202

There might be, but people who think of Bernie's plans as "communism" are probably a lost cause. DanTex Jan 2020 #203

Never been to one and never will, but ... Huin Jan 2020 #207

I don't think Trump has any "ideals". He just wants power and money for himself. DanTex Jan 2020 #210

Those are Trumps ideals...n/t Huin Jan 2020 #212

Just more effort to turn people against Bernie and his supporters. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #206

What if I told you a large chunk of that crowd Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #208

Yeah, implied extortion is a great way to win allies... Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #217

That coin has two sides FBaggins Jan 2020 #230

I was done with Bernie Nikki28 Jan 2020 #231

The email thing. Like when he said "I don't care about your damn emails"? DanTex Jan 2020 #232