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cab67

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39. I don't disrespect Sanders supporters as a default.
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:34 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Many of my friends are die-hard Sanders supporters. But believe it or not, much of my opposition to his nomination comes from a real desire to protect progressive causes in the USA.

Sanders is not electable. He has very little to show for his long years of service in Congress, and he has a surprising amount of baggage that Democrats (I almost said "fellow Democrats;" ever notice Sanders is only a Democrat when he's running for president?) are reluctant to use, just as they're reluctant to use serious baggage against any other Democrat - they don't want to alienate the other candidates' supporters. Polls taken before the general election of which candidate would do best against the other party are worthless because they do not, and cannot, take into account what the opposing party will throw at them.

I take no pleasure in saying any of this. I actually agree with Sanders on almost everything. In an ideal world, he'd be the ideal candidate. But we're not living in an ideal world.

Consider the presidential elections from 1972 through 1988. Democrats ran progressive candidates each time, and 1976 excepted, they lost each time - badly.

I'm not comparing this election cycle with any other. There are all kinds of reasons each of those elections turned out that way. Did voters really agree with Reagan's politics in 1980, or did Carter lose through a combination of a recession, the Iran hostage crisis, and a lesser ability to play up a crowd? (Likewise, did Carter win in 1976 because people really liked what he stood for, or was it lingering malaise over Watergate and the fall of Saigon?).

I am, however, comparing what would happen in the aftermath of a Sanders defeat with what happened following the defeat of Dukakis. After a string of losses, the Democratic leadership was ready to throw its support behind someone less progressive. Hence Bill Clinton. I proudly voted for him twice, and he did a lot of good (esp. his inspired Supreme Court nominations), but to quote Molly Ivins, he wasn't my kind of Democrat. He was arguably closer to the center than his predecessors. And this was very much on purpose.

It wouldn't matter why Sanders lost. Was it the New York accent? A foreign-driven misinformation campaign? Lack of support from other Democratic candidates? Any or all of these could be true, but the end result would be the same - we won't see another progressive candidate come this close to the nomination for at least a full generation.

Hence my disquiet with Sanders. It's not what he stands for - it's what will happen in spite of what he stands for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Of course he loses the GE...but I still don't think he will be the nominee...all this Sander's Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #1
+10000000 Pachamama Jan 2020 #3
Not only that... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #2
So we need to vote for Biden whom Trump fears and win MI, WI and PA...send Trump packing but Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #6
Sanders has to "earn" the votes of their supporters NYMinute Jan 2020 #9
That is not true...Sanders will lose the general which is why the GOP want him as our Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #11
Lol nini Jan 2020 #14
Yes exactly like he did. Just not as little as Clinton did for Obama. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #31
Yeah there's that inconvenient truth and facts. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #43
I don't want to bring up the past, but Bernie didn't bust his ass for Hillary calguy Jan 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #19
Just watch Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #32
Naw, I'm sure Bernie will be consistent and insist that only he is responsible R B Garr Jan 2020 #35
House could change some, but I think we'll hold. Senate almost unattainable in any scenario. Amimnoch Jan 2020 #5
We will not hold the house if we run left...the polls are terrible...and the senate is attainable Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #7
Already making excuses for his loss, eh? Amimnoch Jan 2020 #8
Bernie loses no matter what. nt NYMinute Jan 2020 #10
Is this the new theme? nini Jan 2020 #15
Oh I almost forgot...it is your candidates job to win over voters. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #16
Walking shoes won't help. cab67 Jan 2020 #24
President Biden. Most people are too smart, and belatedly concerned. Hortensis Jan 2020 #12
I have no doubt calguy Jan 2020 #21
:) Trump's claiming we're "rigging" the election against Sanders. Hortensis Jan 2020 #25
Don't discount Bloomberg, I was safeinOhio Jan 2020 #18
The sky is falling! LS_Editor Jan 2020 #20
Trump's prediction was that foreigners will come to kill us IronLionZion Jan 2020 #22
My Prediction exoskeleton Jan 2020 #23
And acquitted twice Kaiserguy Jan 2020 #27
Not very positive of you, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #33
The nest time you time travel write down some lotto numbers yaesu Jan 2020 #26
Help we need you,Barack!! mainstreetonce Jan 2020 #28
Wow I'm stunned, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #29
ROFL. -nt Amimnoch Jan 2020 #37
I think you are right. Bernie will likely be the candidate thanks to some very misguided Dream Girl Jan 2020 #30
Wow man, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #34
ROFL.. Bashing you? Does this mean you think you're misguided or Trumper or Russian? Amimnoch Jan 2020 #38
I don't disrespect Sanders supporters as a default. cab67 Jan 2020 #39
Mark my words. Sanders is not electable.It will be a bloodbath and we will all be in a world of hurt Dream Girl Jan 2020 #40
Good Points. Replace Bernie with Biden in the replies here MarcA Jan 2020 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jan 2020 #36
re: "Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Arizona...end up going to Trump again" thesquanderer Jan 2020 #42
If Bloomberg takes enough of Bidens vote tally on Super Tuesday to hand Bernie victory Kentonio Jan 2020 #44
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