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In reply to the discussion: NY Mag: Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity [View all]Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)7. Also from Jonathan Chait:
Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/02/why-liberals-should-support-a-trump-nomination.html
The initial stupefaction and dismay with which liberals greeted Donald Trumps candidacy have slowly given way to feelings of Schadenfreude reveling in the suffering of others, in this case the apoplectic members of the Republican Establishment. Are such feelings morally wrong? Or can liberals enjoy the spectacle unleavened by guilt? As Republican voters start actually voting, is it okay to be sad alarmed, even by the prospect that the Trump hostile takeover of the GOP may fail?
There are three reasons, in descending order of obviousness, for a liberal to earnestly and patriotically support a Trump Republican nomination. The first, of course, is that he would almost certainly lose. Trumps ability to stay atop the polls for months, even as critics predicted his demise, has given him an aura of voodoo magic that frightens some Democrats. But whatever wizardry Trump has used to defy the laws of political gravity has worked only within his party. Among the electorate as a whole, he is massively indeed, historically unpopular, with unfavorable ratings now hovering around 60 percent and a public persona almost perfectly designed to repel the Obama coalition: racial minorities, single women, and college-educated whites. It would take a landscape-altering event like a recession for him to win; even that might not be enough
Second, a Trump nomination might upend his party. The GOP is a machine that harnesses ethno-nationalistic fear of communists, criminals, matrimonial gays, terrorists, snooty cultural elites to win elections and then, once in office, caters to its wealthy donor base. (This is why even a social firebrand like Ted Cruz would privately assure the billionaire investor Paul Singer that he wasnt particularly concerned about gay-marriage laws.) As its voting base has lost college-educated voters and gained blue-collar whites, the fissure between the means by which Republicans attain power and the ends they pursue once they have it has widened.
The third reason to prefer a Trump nomination: If he does win, a Trump presidency would probably wind up doing less harm to the country than a Marco Rubio or a Cruz presidency. It might even, possibly, do some good.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/02/why-liberals-should-support-a-trump-nomination.html
The initial stupefaction and dismay with which liberals greeted Donald Trumps candidacy have slowly given way to feelings of Schadenfreude reveling in the suffering of others, in this case the apoplectic members of the Republican Establishment. Are such feelings morally wrong? Or can liberals enjoy the spectacle unleavened by guilt? As Republican voters start actually voting, is it okay to be sad alarmed, even by the prospect that the Trump hostile takeover of the GOP may fail?
There are three reasons, in descending order of obviousness, for a liberal to earnestly and patriotically support a Trump Republican nomination. The first, of course, is that he would almost certainly lose. Trumps ability to stay atop the polls for months, even as critics predicted his demise, has given him an aura of voodoo magic that frightens some Democrats. But whatever wizardry Trump has used to defy the laws of political gravity has worked only within his party. Among the electorate as a whole, he is massively indeed, historically unpopular, with unfavorable ratings now hovering around 60 percent and a public persona almost perfectly designed to repel the Obama coalition: racial minorities, single women, and college-educated whites. It would take a landscape-altering event like a recession for him to win; even that might not be enough
Second, a Trump nomination might upend his party. The GOP is a machine that harnesses ethno-nationalistic fear of communists, criminals, matrimonial gays, terrorists, snooty cultural elites to win elections and then, once in office, caters to its wealthy donor base. (This is why even a social firebrand like Ted Cruz would privately assure the billionaire investor Paul Singer that he wasnt particularly concerned about gay-marriage laws.) As its voting base has lost college-educated voters and gained blue-collar whites, the fissure between the means by which Republicans attain power and the ends they pursue once they have it has widened.
The third reason to prefer a Trump nomination: If he does win, a Trump presidency would probably wind up doing less harm to the country than a Marco Rubio or a Cruz presidency. It might even, possibly, do some good.
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NY Mag: Running Bernie Sanders Against Trump Would Be an Act of Insanity [View all]
wyldwolf
Jan 2020
OP
Thank you for posting! This is a very informative read. Every dem regardless of candidate choice
Thekaspervote
Jan 2020
#1
I love these freak-out reactions and opinions from the media talking heads and opinion makers
Devil Child
Jan 2020
#4
The pretense that a sentiment is equivalent to a proof is beyond irrational.
LanternWaste
Jan 2020
#17
Yes! GOTV and combating voter suppression while delivering unconditional support for the Dem nominee
Devil Child
Jan 2020
#48
The second proposition is not true. Better he bow out and pass the torch to the healthier and
emmaverybo
Jan 2020
#35
Chait, a day before the 2016 election, wrote "Donald Trump is not going to win Michigan"?
DanTex
Jan 2020
#5
we're gonna need an awful lot of salt if we're going to judge people on that basis....
unblock
Jan 2020
#10
From the article: Jane's University gave half a million dollars to Bernie's step daughter
Grampa.Shark
Jan 2020
#8
It certainly would be bizarre. Unlike anything the country has seen. However,
Politicub
Jan 2020
#14
And Bloomberg is waiting in the wings to take the Centrist mantle when Biden falters.
jalan48
Jan 2020
#24
The guy who honeymooned in Russia really can't attack the GOP for being in bed with Russia.
tinrobot
Jan 2020
#33
I don't follow polls and I believe pundit opinions are at best worth doodly-squat
pecosbob
Jan 2020
#36
I honestly don't see how Bernie can win the nomination. I feel very confident that this won't happen
Skya Rhen
Jan 2020
#37
He's said he's going to raise taxes on the middle class to pay for his ideas.
BannonsLiver
Jan 2020
#39
Half Of America Doesn't Vote - Maybe If We Nominated Someone Who Never Sold Out
DanieRains
Jan 2020
#58