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frazzled

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50. It is absolutely not legislation. It's a "resolution."

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:15 PM

Jan 2020

Which means it will be voted on as a set of goals to pursue.

The resolution is nonbinding, so even if Congress approves it, nothing in the proposal would become law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/climate/green-new-deal-questions-answers.html

Any aspiration it it would have to separately be given full detail, funding sources, etc. and be enacted into law ... a long and difficult slog indeed.

How can you advocate for something you don’t even understand? The ACA was legislation; this is just a Congressional resolution, with no force of law whatsoever. The legislation would have to be enacted for the executive branch to implement it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Is BS misrepresenting what Biden actually said? [View all] lapucelle Jan 2020 OP

Yes. Bernie is really disappointing me with the way he is starting to outright lie about things. phleshdef Jan 2020 #1

Yes, he will do or say anything to win. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #5

Umm, one presumes the scientists that endorsed Bernie's plan actually think it could work. DanTex Jan 2020 #2

.. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #4

The discussion is about whether BS decontextualized and then misrepresented what Joe Biden said. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #10

It's not decontextualized at all. 40:00 in the CSPAN video. DanTex Jan 2020 #38

The video is more than 56 minutes, Sanders chose to show only 1:14 George II Jan 2020 #54

Yeah, 56 minutes is a bit long for a twitter clip. DanTex Jan 2020 #56

I've seen 10-12 minute videos on twitter. But a video longer than 1:14 would belie the bashing. George II Jan 2020 #58

Well, this was the part where Biden claimed Bernie's plan had no scientific support. DanTex Jan 2020 #59

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #66

You've forgotten that you've been corrected on this... ehrnst Jan 2020 #70

The "correction" was about a different part of the video. DanTex Jan 2020 #72

The exchange is specifically about about zero emissions. lapucelle Jan 2020 #78

Decontextualized like this: ehrnst Jan 2020 #76

Nervous laughter... ehrnst Jan 2020 #37

Except he was agreeing with the guy he was responding to TheFarseer Jan 2020 #45

Actually... ehrnst Jan 2020 #49

We're talking about different things TheFarseer Jan 2020 #55

The antecedent for the pronoun "it" is zero emissions by 2030. lapucelle Jan 2020 #7

Incorrect. Check 40:00 in that video. DanTex Jan 2020 #11

That's neither in the transcript nor the closed captions lapucelle Jan 2020 #18

That's the part of the video that's in the Bernie tweet. DanTex Jan 2020 #36

You mean like when Obama said, "You didn't build that" ehrnst Jan 2020 #39

But quotation marks are for actual statements... ehrnst Jan 2020 #35

Umm, Biden never said the words that the BS tweet puts in his mouth. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #9

Yes, he did, he was responding to a woman who said "Bernie's plan is pretty impressive". DanTex Jan 2020 #13

He is living up to his initials! Bev54 Jan 2020 #24

... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #40

.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #46

-1 myohmy2 Jan 2020 #67

... ehrnst Jan 2020 #48

That's not the point of the highly cropped 1:14 video put out by the Sanders campaign. George II Jan 2020 #52

It's exactly the point of it, if you look right after 40:00 in the original. DanTex Jan 2020 #53

Actually...you seem to have forgotten being corrected about this. ehrnst Jan 2020 #73

I think this pretty much sums it up... DanTex Jan 2020 #75

Even Sanders doesn't call for zero fossil fuels or zero emissions by 2030. Here's his "plan"... George II Jan 2020 #63

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #65

The GND calls for 0 emissions by 2030. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #3

Sanders always twists and mischaracterizes opponents NCProgressive Jan 2020 #6

Again??? PatSeg Jan 2020 #8

Did you watch the video? SHe was talking about Bernie's plan "being impressive" Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #15

Joe said PatSeg Jan 2020 #21

She said "Bernie's plan is quite impressive." and He said "Not a single solitary scientist..." Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #23

You wouldn't this would be so complicated, right? DanTex Jan 2020 #42

Folks are desperate to catch him at anything they could. And are reluctant to admit when they didn't Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #44

It's glorious! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #68

Seriously though. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #77

+1 myohmy2 Jan 2020 #43

Actually, that's not quite right. ehrnst Jan 2020 #74

Of course I watched the video. I also read the transcript. lapucelle Jan 2020 #25

+1000 for truth mcar Jan 2020 #29

Right after she said Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #31

Yeah, that's a different part of the video. Try 40:00 for the part Bernie clips. DanTex Jan 2020 #41

It's the part of the video that's directly before the the word "it". lapucelle Jan 2020 #79

You need to go to the 39:55 mark where the exchange took place Kaleva Jan 2020 #83

You need to listen to the whole two more minute exchange lapucelle Jan 2020 #84

I have. Where does the woman say we can reach zero emissions by 2030? Kaleva Jan 2020 #85

Where does Joe Biden say anything about the BS plan? lapucelle Jan 2020 #86

So why would Biden say achieving zero emissions by 2030 can't be done when no one suggests that? Kaleva Jan 2020 #88

Biden is talking about zero emissions. Where did BS get the part that Biden is talking about him? lapucelle Jan 2020 #89

Where did Biden get the zero emissions by 2030 from then? Kaleva Jan 2020 #90

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to show, but by all means carry on. lapucelle Jan 2020 #93

I was just asking you a simple question. One you won't answer. Kaleva Jan 2020 #100

Sorry, but I don't chase red herrings, especially not in the service of other people's agendas. lapucelle Jan 2020 #101

I don't think you know what a red herring is Kaleva Jan 2020 #102

Posting about anything other than the BS campaign's misrepresentation lapucelle Jan 2020 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author booley Jan 2020 #12

So why hasn't Bernie or AOC crafted actual legislation to introduce it? What they comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #14

It is actual legislation. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #16

When did that happen? Can you give me the bill numbers? comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #17

That's what legislation does. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #20

It is absolutely not legislation. It's a "resolution." frazzled Jan 2020 #50

It's not legislation, it's a resolution. It has virtually no details or plans. George II Jan 2020 #60

It was killed in the Senate already. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #71

Biden's plan is 0 emissions by 2050 Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #19

I am so sick and tired of sanders..... chillfactor Jan 2020 #22

+++ still_one Jan 2020 #33

The tell is in brackets......... (Bernie's plan). nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #26

The brackets gave it away to me too. lapucelle Jan 2020 #27

Wow, they are in complete panic mode mcar Jan 2020 #28

This just seems desperate and not the actions of a candidate confident in their issues. ehrnst Jan 2020 #30

I think Bernie is helping Biden PatSeg Jan 2020 #61

You know the saying... sheshe2 Jan 2020 #91

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #92

Let the people vote we will all see the results soon ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #32

What's with Biden getting in people's faces like that? Especially women? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #34

And scolding his wife for standing too near to him on stage. ehrnst Jan 2020 #62

"That moment when Abby Huntsman tried to push BS out of her space" Cha Jan 2020 #64

Candidates who want to display they are capable of beating Trump should start yesterday. nt greyl Jan 2020 #47

David Sirota at it again. George II Jan 2020 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Jan 2020 #57

Green New Deal just got clubbed to death by Mitch in March. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #69

Of course. betsuni Jan 2020 #80

Need it be asked? Cha Jan 2020 #87

Who is surpirsed by this? Gothmog Jan 2020 #81

"I think Bernie's plan is pretty impressive" followed by Biden's reply Kaleva Jan 2020 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #94

My link is to the actual C-SPAN video of the event. lapucelle Jan 2020 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #97

I know what user clips are, and I know enough to be extremely wary lapucelle Jan 2020 #99

I remember that. It showed a complete lack of integrity. Glad it was called-out. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #106

And welcome to DU. lapucelle Jan 2020 #96

No he isn't, but Sanders is intentionally misrepresenting what Biden said. BTW, how can anyone... George II Jan 2020 #98

Yes RandySF Jan 2020 #103

Thank you for pointing this out, lapucelle! R B Garr Jan 2020 #105