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Scurrilous

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69. Green New Deal just got clubbed to death by Mitch in March.

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 11:42 PM

Jan 2020

Shouldn't he be the focus of Bernie's ire. Or Trump. Biden is not the problem.

"The vote was 57 against the resolution in the 100-member chamber, with 43 Democrats voting “present,” avoiding an up-or-down vote. Republicans won over Democratic Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema and one independent senator, Angus King, who usually votes with that party.

The Green New Deal, introduced last month by Democrats, marked an initial attempt to define legislation to create government-led investments in clean energy like wind and solar power, infrastructure and social programs."

"Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told reporters the Green New Deal was discussed with Trump at a party lunch on Tuesday. Graham said Trump told Republican senators: “Make sure you don’t kill it too much because I want to run against it.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climate-greennewdeal/republicans-defeat-green-new-deal-in-u-s-senate-vote-democrats-call-a-stunt-idUSKCN1R71BZ

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Is BS misrepresenting what Biden actually said? [View all] lapucelle Jan 2020 OP

Yes. Bernie is really disappointing me with the way he is starting to outright lie about things. phleshdef Jan 2020 #1

Yes, he will do or say anything to win. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #5

Umm, one presumes the scientists that endorsed Bernie's plan actually think it could work. DanTex Jan 2020 #2

.. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #4

The discussion is about whether BS decontextualized and then misrepresented what Joe Biden said. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #10

It's not decontextualized at all. 40:00 in the CSPAN video. DanTex Jan 2020 #38

The video is more than 56 minutes, Sanders chose to show only 1:14 George II Jan 2020 #54

Yeah, 56 minutes is a bit long for a twitter clip. DanTex Jan 2020 #56

I've seen 10-12 minute videos on twitter. But a video longer than 1:14 would belie the bashing. George II Jan 2020 #58

Well, this was the part where Biden claimed Bernie's plan had no scientific support. DanTex Jan 2020 #59

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #66

You've forgotten that you've been corrected on this... ehrnst Jan 2020 #70

The "correction" was about a different part of the video. DanTex Jan 2020 #72

The exchange is specifically about about zero emissions. lapucelle Jan 2020 #78

Decontextualized like this: ehrnst Jan 2020 #76

Nervous laughter... ehrnst Jan 2020 #37

Except he was agreeing with the guy he was responding to TheFarseer Jan 2020 #45

Actually... ehrnst Jan 2020 #49

We're talking about different things TheFarseer Jan 2020 #55

The antecedent for the pronoun "it" is zero emissions by 2030. lapucelle Jan 2020 #7

Incorrect. Check 40:00 in that video. DanTex Jan 2020 #11

That's neither in the transcript nor the closed captions lapucelle Jan 2020 #18

That's the part of the video that's in the Bernie tweet. DanTex Jan 2020 #36

You mean like when Obama said, "You didn't build that" ehrnst Jan 2020 #39

But quotation marks are for actual statements... ehrnst Jan 2020 #35

Umm, Biden never said the words that the BS tweet puts in his mouth. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #9

Yes, he did, he was responding to a woman who said "Bernie's plan is pretty impressive". DanTex Jan 2020 #13

He is living up to his initials! Bev54 Jan 2020 #24

... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #40

.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #46

-1 myohmy2 Jan 2020 #67

... ehrnst Jan 2020 #48

That's not the point of the highly cropped 1:14 video put out by the Sanders campaign. George II Jan 2020 #52

It's exactly the point of it, if you look right after 40:00 in the original. DanTex Jan 2020 #53

Actually...you seem to have forgotten being corrected about this. ehrnst Jan 2020 #73

I think this pretty much sums it up... DanTex Jan 2020 #75

Even Sanders doesn't call for zero fossil fuels or zero emissions by 2030. Here's his "plan"... George II Jan 2020 #63

. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #65

The GND calls for 0 emissions by 2030. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #3

Sanders always twists and mischaracterizes opponents NCProgressive Jan 2020 #6

Again??? PatSeg Jan 2020 #8

Did you watch the video? SHe was talking about Bernie's plan "being impressive" Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #15

Joe said PatSeg Jan 2020 #21

She said "Bernie's plan is quite impressive." and He said "Not a single solitary scientist..." Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #23

You wouldn't this would be so complicated, right? DanTex Jan 2020 #42

Folks are desperate to catch him at anything they could. And are reluctant to admit when they didn't Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #44

It's glorious! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #68

Seriously though. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #77

+1 myohmy2 Jan 2020 #43

Actually, that's not quite right. ehrnst Jan 2020 #74

Of course I watched the video. I also read the transcript. lapucelle Jan 2020 #25

+1000 for truth mcar Jan 2020 #29

Right after she said Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #31

Yeah, that's a different part of the video. Try 40:00 for the part Bernie clips. DanTex Jan 2020 #41

It's the part of the video that's directly before the the word "it". lapucelle Jan 2020 #79

You need to go to the 39:55 mark where the exchange took place Kaleva Jan 2020 #83

You need to listen to the whole two more minute exchange lapucelle Jan 2020 #84

I have. Where does the woman say we can reach zero emissions by 2030? Kaleva Jan 2020 #85

Where does Joe Biden say anything about the BS plan? lapucelle Jan 2020 #86

So why would Biden say achieving zero emissions by 2030 can't be done when no one suggests that? Kaleva Jan 2020 #88

Biden is talking about zero emissions. Where did BS get the part that Biden is talking about him? lapucelle Jan 2020 #89

Where did Biden get the zero emissions by 2030 from then? Kaleva Jan 2020 #90

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to show, but by all means carry on. lapucelle Jan 2020 #93

I was just asking you a simple question. One you won't answer. Kaleva Jan 2020 #100

Sorry, but I don't chase red herrings, especially not in the service of other people's agendas. lapucelle Jan 2020 #101

I don't think you know what a red herring is Kaleva Jan 2020 #102

Posting about anything other than the BS campaign's misrepresentation lapucelle Jan 2020 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author booley Jan 2020 #12

So why hasn't Bernie or AOC crafted actual legislation to introduce it? What they comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #14

It is actual legislation. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #16

When did that happen? Can you give me the bill numbers? comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #17

That's what legislation does. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #20

It is absolutely not legislation. It's a "resolution." frazzled Jan 2020 #50

It's not legislation, it's a resolution. It has virtually no details or plans. George II Jan 2020 #60

It was killed in the Senate already. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #71

Biden's plan is 0 emissions by 2050 Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #19

I am so sick and tired of sanders..... chillfactor Jan 2020 #22

+++ still_one Jan 2020 #33

The tell is in brackets......... (Bernie's plan). nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #26

The brackets gave it away to me too. lapucelle Jan 2020 #27

Wow, they are in complete panic mode mcar Jan 2020 #28

This just seems desperate and not the actions of a candidate confident in their issues. ehrnst Jan 2020 #30

I think Bernie is helping Biden PatSeg Jan 2020 #61

You know the saying... sheshe2 Jan 2020 #91

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #92

Let the people vote we will all see the results soon ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #32

What's with Biden getting in people's faces like that? Especially women? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #34

And scolding his wife for standing too near to him on stage. ehrnst Jan 2020 #62

"That moment when Abby Huntsman tried to push BS out of her space" Cha Jan 2020 #64

Candidates who want to display they are capable of beating Trump should start yesterday. nt greyl Jan 2020 #47

David Sirota at it again. George II Jan 2020 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Jan 2020 #57

Green New Deal just got clubbed to death by Mitch in March. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #69

Of course. betsuni Jan 2020 #80

Need it be asked? Cha Jan 2020 #87

Who is surpirsed by this? Gothmog Jan 2020 #81

"I think Bernie's plan is pretty impressive" followed by Biden's reply Kaleva Jan 2020 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #94

My link is to the actual C-SPAN video of the event. lapucelle Jan 2020 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #97

I know what user clips are, and I know enough to be extremely wary lapucelle Jan 2020 #99

I remember that. It showed a complete lack of integrity. Glad it was called-out. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #106

And welcome to DU. lapucelle Jan 2020 #96

No he isn't, but Sanders is intentionally misrepresenting what Biden said. BTW, how can anyone... George II Jan 2020 #98

Yes RandySF Jan 2020 #103

Thank you for pointing this out, lapucelle! R B Garr Jan 2020 #105