Democratic Primaries

ismnotwasm

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78. I would but people don't listen

Reply to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #75)

Wed Jan 29, 2020, 02:00 PM

Jan 2020

Here in Seattle nurses are on strike for better wages and better working conditions. I was talking to a new hire from that hospital (different union than mine, SEIU) and she said that the management simply refused to negotiate. I mean went in with a “nope”. It takes a lot for nurses to strike, I mean a LOT. The nurses are trying, among other things to improve wages and staffing for EVS workers (environmental services or housekeeping) Local news is barely covering it. My hospital is preparing for an onslaught in our ER.

My point is, wages and conditions and staffing and providers and everything that goes into healthcare is a big, multifaceted conversation that no one wants to have. It seems to be on the order of “build it and they will come”. Or, just expand Medicare”

That isn’t how it works. I never even get to “how to pay for it” because there are so many factors before that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why the attacks on Bernie aren't working. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

Another divisive OP by denigrating moderate Democrats NCProgressive Jan 2020 #1

The pleas for "positivity" seem to come from those with the ehrnst Jan 2020 #3

+1, that's the Trumpian way, also. Accuse others of what you are actually doing. nt R B Garr Jan 2020 #5

Where did I do that? I didn't use the terms "moderate Democrats". DanTex Jan 2020 #7

Moderate Democrats are also called "centrist" and you know it NCProgressive Jan 2020 #10

I was clear who I was talking about. DanTex Jan 2020 #11

You were talking about Centrist Democrats and do not backpeddle NCProgressive Jan 2020 #37

Lobbying groups are the ones backing anti-Bernie smears. DanTex Jan 2020 #38

OK which lobbyists, and who are they backing that are making these so-called smears? ehrnst Jan 2020 #44

Still waiting on that list of obbyists... ehrnst Jan 2020 #84

Nailed it. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #65

Are you referring to this as an "attack?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #2

Yes, perfect example. DanTex Jan 2020 #6

Where did the article say that "Bernie wants to cut social security?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #26

I thought you'd have nothing to share to support your claims. ehrnst Jan 2020 #45

Inflammatory language, "Bernie haters." Every candidate has critics, detractors, and those who emmaverybo Jan 2020 #58

If he stumbled into the presidency Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #4

Which is why he would never be the nominee NCProgressive Jan 2020 #8

I have to ask again, where was Bernie 30 years ago? katmondoo Jan 2020 #9

I have no idea what you are getting at but... Apollo Zeus Jan 2020 #42

Sanders' Social Security 'adjustments' undercut Biden attack Gothmog Jan 2020 #12

A great example of an attack that nobody that doesn't already hate Bernie will believe. DanTex Jan 2020 #13

Seriously?? And you haven't seen all the posts against Biden about SS Medicare cuts by sanders?! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #14

Yes. Because the only changes to SS Bernie has ever proposed have been to increase it. DanTex Jan 2020 #17

It seems you are lumping anyone who isn't a Sanders supporter ehrnst Jan 2020 #21

No, just the people who attack him. DanTex Jan 2020 #23

You consider the free press doing their job as "attacking" when it comes to Sanders. ehrnst Jan 2020 #25

Fact: Bernie praised a law signed by Reagan that cut SS benefits for those under 67 when they had ehrnst Jan 2020 #47

You're saying that he didn't say those things? ehrnst Jan 2020 #15

I'm saying nobody is every going to believe Bernie wants to cut SS. DanTex Jan 2020 #19

So you keep evading answering the question. ehrnst Jan 2020 #28

It's exactly what the Sanders campaign did to Biden regarding his position on Social Security. George II Jan 2020 #18

Because Biden has many times talked about cutting or freezing SS. DanTex Jan 2020 #22

He has NEVER talked about cutting Social Security. And he hasn't himself talked about.... George II Jan 2020 #24

We both know he has. You even said "except" in that post. DanTex Jan 2020 #27

Bernie has indeed talked about Social Security in those terms... ehrnst Jan 2020 #31

No, he hasn't. DanTex Jan 2020 #34

OK - seems like this is what Sanders has said. In election years, anyway. ehrnst Jan 2020 #35

Good luck with the out of context quotes and grainy videos. DanTex Jan 2020 #36

Again, you can keep attacking those straw men, and evading what Sanders himself said. ehrnst Jan 2020 #39

He praised a Reagan era law that cut SS benefits ehrnst Jan 2020 #52

Thank you JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #69

I like living in the real world Gothmog Jan 2020 #29

This thread makes me smile Gothmog Jan 2020 #48

Hear , Hear ritapria Jan 2020 #16

im not sure anyone actually HATES BS...and most have ample reason to complain about bros.. samnsara Jan 2020 #20

Bernie Bros were a Russian concoction. gab13by13 Jan 2020 #33

The Sanders supporters making those memes go viral during the GE weren't a "Russian concoction. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #40

I do. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #66

IMO there are only 2 candidates, gab13by13 Jan 2020 #30

FDR wouldn't pass muster because of the dentention camps and turning away Jewish refugees ehrnst Jan 2020 #41

Thank you. +FDR deals with labor not extended to agricultural workers, 60 percent of whom were POC. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #81

He was able to reduce the number of people that in WPA labor programs ehrnst Jan 2020 #82

Good link and thanks again for enlightening us. I offer another for general consumption. If emmaverybo Jan 2020 #86

Please do tell us which candidates you're describing... brooklynite Jan 2020 #32

For example, Bloomberg has clearly been in favor of cutting SS for a while. DanTex Jan 2020 #46

And Bernie praised a Reagan era law that cut SS benefits. ehrnst Jan 2020 #49

LOL. Yes, Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg are the same on Social Security. Good one! DanTex Jan 2020 #61

Um... I'm just posting Bernie's own words. But if the shoe fits.. ehrnst Jan 2020 #62

I'm agreeing with you! Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg are the same on Social Security! DanTex Jan 2020 #63

I see nervous laughter... and continued evasions of facts, Sanders own words... ehrnst Jan 2020 #70

I think another reason is the real grassroots support which castrates trad. media outlets floppyboo Jan 2020 #43

Attacks on the free press for vetting candidates is something that should ehrnst Jan 2020 #51

Excellent post DanTex, thank you! Devil Child Jan 2020 #50

Malcolm Nance on Stephanie Miller bdamomma Jan 2020 #53

They aren't succeeding, because nobody believes the attacks on Bernie. DanTex Jan 2020 #55

Those who believe that reporting Bernie's own words are an 'attack' ehrnst Jan 2020 #56

Struck a nerve with this one Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #59

"Nobody" ehrnst Jan 2020 #73

Your premise is as sourced as those tweets you argue against LanternWaste Jan 2020 #54

Why your divisive framing isn't working: MrsCoffee Jan 2020 #57

For someone who calls for "party unity", I sure see a lot of divisive flamebait threads from the OP, still_one Jan 2020 #60

I don't think unity is the goal. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #67

Exactly still_one Jan 2020 #68

Well his protege and chief supporter has complained that our party offers too big a tent. Let's see emmaverybo Jan 2020 #87

Attacks - or vetting? JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #64

Ok. ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #71

Thank you for that eloquent post. ehrnst Jan 2020 #72

You are welcome ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #74

This should be an OP. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #75

I would but people don't listen ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #78

Sigh, I hear you. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #80

So eloquent and heartfelt. This should be an OP. NCProgressive Jan 2020 #77

I don't hate Bernie-I do hate that his nomination would give us 4 more of Trump redstateblues Jan 2020 #76

These attacks are indeed working Gothmog Jan 2020 #79

And working well! And well-deserved. Sanders needs to stand on his merits, which are emmaverybo Jan 2020 #83

+1000 -nt Amimnoch Jan 2020 #85

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #88

thanks DanTex... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #89