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highplainsdem

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11. If you'll look at other threads about this, you'll see that there are a lot of problems with her
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 10:33 PM
Mar 2019

account of the incident in her own essay about it, details that undermine her interpretation of what happened.

The more I've looked at it, the more likely I think it is that Biden never sniffed her hair or kissed the back of her head. (And btw, Flores's own story changed on the kiss detail; people were pointing out he'd have had to be kissing the top of her head, not the back, so she changed it to the top of her head this morning.) She made a point in her own essay that she hadn't washed her hair that day. It was the kind of detail she would have been unlikely to bring up unless it really bothered her.

I think it's most likely Biden was whispering something reassuring to her, at the same time he'd briefly put his hands on her shoulders in a reassuring gesture after she'd started taking deep breaths all of a sudden backstage (another detail she mentioned) and apparently had stage fright. I think she missed what he said. I think his closeness to her made her even more self-conscious about her hair and resentful of his being that close.

And then there's the statement from Henry Munoz, who organized the event and checked all the photographic documentation and spoke to nearly all the people who were there. And found nothing to back up Flores's story, even though there were lots of other people backstage when this allegedly happened.

I'm still giving Flores some benefit of the doubt here. I think it's possible her apparent stage fright led Biden to offer a quick reassurance, one lasting only a couple of seconds, one that he'd have no particular reason to remember and that anyone else who saw it would be likely to forget, too, as nothing particularly remarkable, given Biden's habit of trying to reassure and comfort people. I think some of what Flores describes happened, even though I'm sure she misinterpreted it.

But I find her timing with this accusation very suspicious, given that she's a Bernie supporter.

And I think she discredited herself using part of her essay to drag in old, debunked smears against Biden that RWers have been trying to use for years. Smears she should have known were untrue and probably knew were untrue, like the one involving Stephanie and Ash Carter, which Stephanie had to debunk yet again today.

It was a shameful thing for Flores to do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Didn't she say Biden sniffed her hair and kissed her on the back of the head? SMC22307 Mar 2019 #1
If you'll look at other threads about this, you'll see that there are a lot of problems with her highplainsdem Mar 2019 #11
Just copy and paste this on everyone of the of these hit posts. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #79
There is a thread that is not flattering to her Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #89
Kissed her on the BACK of her head (The Cut article), then a couple of days later... George II Apr 2019 #17
Oh what a tangled web eh? ucrdem Apr 2019 #27
Oh, dear The Blue Flower Apr 2019 #78
The best way to get someone "off your back" is to turn around whathehell Apr 2019 #49
Not so sure that description was accurate though. emulatorloo Apr 2019 #77
Please delete. Would you say a rape victim is not to be believed if she ever had sex? unblock Mar 2019 #2
No, she works for OR. I think she is lying and a hand on the shoulder is not rape, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #3
Her consenting to Bernie's contact proves *nothing* regarding biden. unblock Mar 2019 #5
Really? So Biden is offensive but Sanders is just fine. She is offensive. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #7
If she lied, sure, that's despicable. unblock Mar 2019 #13
Biden came up from behind her, surprising her, gripped her shoulders pnwmom Apr 2019 #22
You diske Biden and want to believe this, I like Biden and have worked a campaign Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #62
This is why True Blue American Apr 2019 #48
Me too is being turned into a political tool and will be destroyed, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #73
My thoughts,exactly.i do see True Blue American Apr 2019 #76
+1. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #23
No, she doesn't work for Our Revolution. She publicly left them almost a year ago. pnwmom Apr 2019 #20
Discredited. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #32
That is outdated. The main Mission page doesn't include her. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #47
Really she was listed after that and is a Sanders surrogate. If this leads Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #65
OMG Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #14
Offs. I'm not saying they're similar. unblock Mar 2019 #16
Why delete? She is NOT A RAPE VICTIM!!! That you equate whatever might or might have not.... George II Apr 2019 #18
i didn't equate it. does no one understand logic anymore? unblock Apr 2019 #19
How do you know she gave consent in the Sanders pic? ucrdem Apr 2019 #24
Again, all I'm saying is that the o.p. sheds zero light on her claim. unblock Apr 2019 #38
It's relevant. For one thing it points to the absence of a photo supporting her claim. ucrdem Apr 2019 #40
The fact that a picture of her exists points to a lack of a pic of a specific moment? unblock Apr 2019 #43
Yes. The picture that exists contradicts her story. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #45
Rape? sheshe2 Apr 2019 #26
Logic? unblock Apr 2019 #33
This has nothing to do with rape. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #36
You're lying about my post unblock Apr 2019 #42
Your words: "Would you say a rape victim is not to be believed if she ever had sex?" ucrdem Apr 2019 #44
lol, yes, if you ignore everything i said and reduce my posts to one word, sure. unblock Apr 2019 #54
You drew a clear connection between what's appropriate Hortensis Apr 2019 #51
you're doing a much better job of that. unblock Apr 2019 #55
If you don't know that making poisonous associations Hortensis Apr 2019 #56
the o.p. was toxic by perpetuating a sexist logical fallacy and rhetorical argument. unblock Apr 2019 #58
Unblock, you linked rape with Biden in another thread Hortensis Apr 2019 #53
i did something but you didn't look to see? unblock Apr 2019 #61
How do you have proof Bernie asked her first? treestar Apr 2019 #60
i don't have proof, it's the o.p. that is making the implication unblock Apr 2019 #63
It has nothing to do with rape or sexual assault. Her complaint is about ordinary social touching. treestar Apr 2019 #69
it has to do with consent, and it's not a hard concept. unblock Apr 2019 #72
I recall something in case law about battery (offensive touching) treestar Apr 2019 #75
As a victim of sexual assault do not equate what happened to her to what happened to me. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #90
I didn't equate them. Couldn't and wouldn't. unblock Apr 2019 #92
Collusion? democratisphere Mar 2019 #4
Yes and women should be furious for the attempt to misuse me too and play Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #8
Agreed. jrthin Mar 2019 #10
But...but...but. oasis Mar 2019 #6
Comment provided... brooklynite Mar 2019 #9
Wow!!! R B Garr Mar 2019 #12
Busted. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #15
Bernie has never been on my short list BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #29
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #46
Agree! Little Star Apr 2019 #84
Who told her she could put her hands on Biden? videohead5 Apr 2019 #21
Wow. ucrdem Apr 2019 #25
Question? sheshe2 Apr 2019 #30
It looks traumatizing. ucrdem Apr 2019 #31
You made me LOL! sheshe2 Apr 2019 #34
It's pretty ridiculous when you get down to it. ucrdem Apr 2019 #35
You are correct. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #39
All of this touching and sniffing and caressing reminds me of something. betsuni Apr 2019 #37
Bwahahahaha sheshe2 Apr 2019 #41
Oh my! handmade34 Apr 2019 #80
She's standing inappropriately close for someone who's Hortensis Apr 2019 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #50
This makes it absolutely positively BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #28
OMG... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #52
Imagine. A woman being Ok with being touched by one man but not another. aikoaiko Apr 2019 #57
Imagine. A man saying "It is not good enough for someone to say, 'I'm a woman' Vote for me!" betsuni Apr 2019 #64
You can like Bernie or not, but I don't aikoaiko Apr 2019 #66
Are you a woman? betsuni Apr 2019 #67
It is not sexual! Why aren't you defending men in that context too? treestar Apr 2019 #71
When it comes to sex, yes, but it is very high maintenance treestar Apr 2019 #70
I don't get it. Are you saying it's weird that a woman might have opinions about who can WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #68
Did she ask Joe Biden his "opinion"? Cha Apr 2019 #86
K&R Gothmog Apr 2019 #74
At least she didn't have to dodge a hand trying to shut her up, Hortensis Apr 2019 #81
Great find! Forgot about seeing this before, but what R B Garr Apr 2019 #88
:) Went ahead and looked at pix of Collins and Hortensis Apr 2019 #93
no shame EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #82
this is so overblown handmade34 Apr 2019 #83
KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #85
Kick! sheshe2 Apr 2019 #87
kick LAS14 Apr 2019 #91
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