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Showing Original Post only (View all)Democrats court doom by backing Bernie Sanders. His ideas are toxic outside blue America. [View all]
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Trump will rightly call Sanders socialist
In fact, Sanders lost to Clinton by more than 200,000 votes in the nine states of the Midwest. In the three onetime Blue Wall battleground states, she topped him by over 45,000 votes, though he beat her in Wisconsin and edged her by a point in Michigan. In Ohio, Clinton won by 14 points and nearly 166,000 votes. The best you can say about this Sanders argument is that he didnt lose as badly in the Midwest as he did elsewhere.
Indeed, in the Sunbelt, the other area that Democrats hope to make a general election battleground in 2020, Sanders got absolutely crushed. He lost Florida 64-33%, Arizona 58-40%, North Carolina 55-41% and Texas 65-33%. Taken together, Clinton trounced Sanders in those four states by more than 1.2 million votes.
And of course, those were only primary voters. What would the general electorate make of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.? We know that the Trump campaign will seek to label any Democratic nominee a socialist a regular Republican tactic that usually goes nowhere because Democratic nominees have never really been socialists.
The charge would stick, because this is an identity that he himself has proudly trumpeted. And most Americans view socialism negatively, by a margin of 42-55%. That would be quite a weight around a nominees neck in a general election.
The potency of this pending attack is also underscored by Sanders central policy proposal: "Medicare for All." His plan would hand the government control over nearly a fifth of the American economy. It doesnt take much Trumpian demagoguery to label that socialized medicine.
Candidate Bernie Sanders: America must end high-stakes testing, finally invest in public education
When voters outside the liberal base learned more about this plan over the course of last year, initial curiosity, driven by its bumper-sticker name, collapsed. November polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Cook Political Report found that large shares of swing voters in Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin" say a national Medicare for All plan is a bad idea.
And we dont have to speculate about the political impact of Medicare for All. It was tested in the 2018 midterms when, as a University of Virginia study recently found, it cost Democrats in swing districts who embraced it nearly 5 points.
In fact, Sanders lost to Clinton by more than 200,000 votes in the nine states of the Midwest. In the three onetime Blue Wall battleground states, she topped him by over 45,000 votes, though he beat her in Wisconsin and edged her by a point in Michigan. In Ohio, Clinton won by 14 points and nearly 166,000 votes. The best you can say about this Sanders argument is that he didnt lose as badly in the Midwest as he did elsewhere.
Indeed, in the Sunbelt, the other area that Democrats hope to make a general election battleground in 2020, Sanders got absolutely crushed. He lost Florida 64-33%, Arizona 58-40%, North Carolina 55-41% and Texas 65-33%. Taken together, Clinton trounced Sanders in those four states by more than 1.2 million votes.
And of course, those were only primary voters. What would the general electorate make of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.? We know that the Trump campaign will seek to label any Democratic nominee a socialist a regular Republican tactic that usually goes nowhere because Democratic nominees have never really been socialists.
The charge would stick, because this is an identity that he himself has proudly trumpeted. And most Americans view socialism negatively, by a margin of 42-55%. That would be quite a weight around a nominees neck in a general election.
The potency of this pending attack is also underscored by Sanders central policy proposal: "Medicare for All." His plan would hand the government control over nearly a fifth of the American economy. It doesnt take much Trumpian demagoguery to label that socialized medicine.
Candidate Bernie Sanders: America must end high-stakes testing, finally invest in public education
When voters outside the liberal base learned more about this plan over the course of last year, initial curiosity, driven by its bumper-sticker name, collapsed. November polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Cook Political Report found that large shares of swing voters in Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin" say a national Medicare for All plan is a bad idea.
And we dont have to speculate about the political impact of Medicare for All. It was tested in the 2018 midterms when, as a University of Virginia study recently found, it cost Democrats in swing districts who embraced it nearly 5 points.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Democrats court doom by backing Bernie Sanders. His ideas are toxic outside blue America. [View all]
Gothmog
Jan 2020
OP
Third Way is an advocacy group. They are in favor of SS cuts and other "centrist"
DanTex
Jan 2020
#7
I don't understand your question. What "names" other than Third Way do you mean?
DanTex
Jan 2020
#10
It's also an organization. And the people who wrote this article work for Third Way.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#96
Well, they wrote this article, so they have enough pull to get journals to give them space.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#98
Pretty fun to pretend we know whose friends are whose. As long as we admit it's pretense.
LanternWaste
Jan 2020
#94
LOL. The "cuts" are on billionaires and multi-millionares via means testing.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#18
I don't know, apparently there are some voters out there (and here) that want to cut SS.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#36
Joe should just admit to his past positions on SS and Medicare, but, understandably, he can't.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#41
Means testing turns Social Security recipients into just another group that is . . .
markpkessinger
Jan 2020
#71
So billionaires and (at least for a time) millionaires get slagged on 24/7
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#73
"What Republicans think" has a funny way of influencing what centrist Democrats think n/t
markpkessinger
Jan 2020
#74
Oh, now THERE's a comment that will unify the party and inspire votersto turn out at the polls .. .
markpkessinger
Jan 2020
#77
Unifying the party doesn't seem to me like where you are going with these BS attacks.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#78
Your posts have shown a HUGE problem with anyone you consider "centrist" which is
ehrnst
Jan 2020
#87
Yeaaa, they may be talking about Bernie now but honestly, I think it'll be all about Bloomberg soon
Vivienne235729
Jan 2020
#12
The great liberal Democrat Joe Biden is ahead, has always been ahead, and is on track
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#20
I won't argue w that. I can see him picking off JB's #'s. But I don't think thats a bad thing right
Vivienne235729
Jan 2020
#23
Biden took the fight to Trump from day one. He defined the 2020 election more profoundly than
emmaverybo
Jan 2020
#80
Nope, I heard it. I also heard them go after each other which really dilutes their attack on trump.
Vivienne235729
Feb 2020
#144
Yup, lovin' it. Hillary's latest urge to run may bring her into the race too...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#38
We've tried goin the centrist route several times recently, without success...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#51
George McGovern was a very decent man. In contrast, Nixon's campaign
OneMoreCupOfCoffee
Jan 2020
#83
Not that long ago this kind of crap would not have been tolerated on DU. I'm beginning to think
lutherj
Jan 2020
#22
sure is interesting how russian bots sneak these progressive hit pieces into DU nt
yaesu
Jan 2020
#26
Are you accusing Gothmog of being a Russian bot, or am I misunderstanding your post?
Jedi Guy
Feb 2020
#153
You say you are Bernie or bust; will you support the Democratic nominee if it is not Sanders?
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2020
#50
What is really toxic is that article, nothing to rejoice about even if you don't support Sanders
Perseus
Jan 2020
#42
I believe with a moderate candidate we could get many Pub votes from thosse who are disgusted with
napi21
Jan 2020
#52
We're repeating the same mistakes of 2016 and are going to lose if it keeps up.
Chicago1980
Jan 2020
#58
The establishment does indeed have a lot to lose with a Sanders candidacy.
Scotch-Irish
Jan 2020
#109
That's just not true. Sanders appeals to a lot of the trump voters that wanted someone
Scotch-Irish
Jan 2020
#111
I was a delegate in 2016 and right now I plan on honoring the tradition of letting other people go
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#119
The status quo would be re-electing trump which is what happen if sanders is nominee
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#114
I do not want to see trump re-elected due to such a weak candidate like sanders
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#120