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True Blue Drew

(88 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:16 AM Jan 2020

Bernie Is the Opponent Trump Wants [View all]

JAN 28, 20202:49 PM
William Saletan, Slate

Bernie Sanders is on the rise. Less than a week before the first contest of the Democratic primary, polls give the Vermont senator, on average, a 3-point lead in Iowa and an 8-point lead in New Hampshire. Nationally, he has climbed to within 5 percentage points of former Vice President Joe Biden. If Sanders wins the first two states, he has a strong chance of winning the nomination.

That sounds like good news for progressives. But it isn’t. Sanders has major liabilities that haven’t been exploited in the primaries. If he’s the nominee, those liabilities could hand the election to President Donald Trump. David Frum made this case on Monday in the Atlantic, and Jonathan Chait, writing for New York magazine, has backed it up with evidence from recent elections. But polls suggest that Trump has already identified a theme that would destroy Sanders: his socialism.

Trump is running on the economy, but he knows many voters don’t like him. He needs to give those voters something to fear about the other party. That’s where socialism comes in. Trump uses that word at every rally, hoping to make Democrats look radical and scary. Sen. Elizabeth Warren agrees with many of Sanders’ ideas, but she doesn’t call them socialism. Sanders does. He plays right into Trump’s hands.

If you hang out with young progressives, you might be under the impression that socialism is popular. It is, but only on the left. In the latest Gallup poll, taken in September, liberals and Democrats viewed socialism favorably, but Americans as a whole rejected it, 57 percent to 39 percent. In the same poll, respondents viewed capitalism favorably, 60 percent to 35 percent. A Harvard/New York Times poll, taken in July and August, found similar results: Americans endorsed capitalism, 57 percent to 37 percent, while rejecting socialism, 59 percent to 34 percent. Polls taken in May by the Pew Research Center, in March for the libertarian Cato Institute, and in December for Fox News yielded similar results. In every survey, socialism scores well among progressives but gets trounced, among voters as a whole, in a showdown with capitalism.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/trump-bernie-sanders-socialism.html


If the electorate contained only people under 40. I'd say that Sanders would have a really good chance of defeating Trump. But we all know such is not the case, and "socialism" isn't a popular concept---or even word!---for a majority of elderly voters. (You know, the ones that always turn out on Election Day.) But it is Saletan's final words that really bring it home:

"If you think socialism is important enough to risk losing the election, vote for Sanders. But if all you want is a progressive government—one that offers a public health insurance option, makes college more affordable, and mobilizes the country against climate change—you’re a lot more likely to get it by nominating a pragmatist. It feels good to vote for the candidate you admire most. But if Sanders wins the nomination and Trump wins the election, you’ll have four more years to feel the burn."




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Is the Opponent Trump Wants [View all] True Blue Drew Jan 2020 OP
The only way I can see Bernie winning against Trump LuvNewcastle Jan 2020 #1
It is as obvious as night and day that Trump is desperate to face Bernie NCProgressive Jan 2020 #2
Trump was the opponent Hillary wanted, no? Wabbajack_ Jan 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #4
It won't be so funny Butterflylady Jan 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jan 2020 #7
Sander won't win a general and will likely lose the house...how about that argument? Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jan 2020 #31
Plenty of support out there is you want to look at it....Sanders is losing in Virginia, Delaware. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #32
Quinnipiac poll numbers 1/28 who has the best chance of beating trump Biden 44 sanders 19 Cha Jan 2020 #10
What the hell does that have to do with 2020? Cha Jan 2020 #9
When you ask people who they will vote for head to head, Bernie does better. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #12
Quinnipiac poll numbers 1/28 who has the best chance of beating trump Biden 44 sanders 19 Cha Jan 2020 #13
538 has Bernie down in most every poll...today...in fact I didn't see one where he was ahead... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #27
Biden wins easily. Why would any Dem want to roll the dice? oasis Jan 2020 #5
So? Trump was the opponent that Hillary wanted FBaggins Jan 2020 #8
Like Hillary had any power over who the asshole gop voted for. Cha Jan 2020 #14
Roughly the same amount that Trump has over the DNC's selection FBaggins Jan 2020 #17
I know Cha Jan 2020 #18
She won the popular vote; she would have won the EC if she hadn't been betrayed by the left LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #16
She didn't know Russian interference would be so extensive, that Comey would pop up right before betsuni Jan 2020 #23
Hey Trumpster Dumpster. Better be careful what you wish for. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #11
I wish that were true...however, Biden will win so he hopefully kicks Trump's ass...going to be hard Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #15
NO trump does NOT.. trump got fuckuing #45IMPEACHED Cha Jan 2020 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #20
Sez you.. those who want to WIN don't fall for Cha Jan 2020 #22
But you just said you'd "wager Trump wants Biden" as an opponent. ehrnst Jan 2020 #25
Are you really "sorry"? George II Jan 2020 #29
Actually... Trump tried to sink Biden using witholding military aid to get Ukraine to smear him. ehrnst Jan 2020 #24
trump would destroy a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #21
That Would Explain Why Tucker Carlson Has Been Boosting Bernie TomCADem Jan 2020 #30
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