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NCProgressive

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31. It is still a divisive issue and it is tone deaf to not realize it

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:10 AM

Jan 2020

1. The debt forgiveness/free college has no requirement that these students maintain a certain GPA or perform work in an underserved community.

2. What about people who don't go to college but start a trade? An electrician, plumber or mechanic buying tools with debt to start making a living? Why is their debt inferior and not paid for?

3. Neither Sanders nor Warren proposed this until they ran for POTUS - and thus there is validity in an argument that it is just a ploy to get younger voters. Bernie has been in congress for 30+ years and the first time he thought of this was when he ran for POTUS. Nothing before then.

I say it is pandering to a certain privileged class who want to go to college and get their votes. All the window dressing about it being progressive is an afterthought to justify.

Add the plutophobia to it and you have a segment jumping with joy that we are socking it to the rich.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The reverse class resentment on student debt/free college is disturbing. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

It's not really resentment but fairness OKNancy Jan 2020 #1

It is resentment. You hate someone getting something for free that you paid for. LonePirate Jan 2020 #4

Hey and maybe it is. Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #16

Yes, but that doesn't make it any less valid Amishman Jan 2020 #17

No wonder this country is so fucked up with all of this selfishness and bitterness. LonePirate Jan 2020 #27

Would it not have improved your life to not have had that debt? DanTex Jan 2020 #7

Sure it would. I think there should be something done OKNancy Jan 2020 #22

Didn't their life squirecam Jan 2020 #24

Prepare for fewer docs Tweedy Jan 2020 #64

Lawyers squirecam Jan 2020 #65

Good for you Tweedy Jan 2020 #66

You asked squirecam Jan 2020 #67

So student beware Tweedy Jan 2020 #68

Anyone going to law school is an adult squirecam Jan 2020 #69

Student beware Tweedy Jan 2020 #90

Similar situation, but don't have a problem with forgiveness or free tuition bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #15

No, it's selfishness. Magoo48 Jan 2020 #21

That's a great response. Thank you. LonePirate Jan 2020 #34

Exactly Lokee11 Jan 2020 #55

A blanket apology to those on this thread. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #91

Nice argument. We have to get out of this 'it's not fair' thing. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #2

Not SS Widows and orphans judeling Jan 2020 #5

OK it wasn't a great analogy. But my point still stands. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #59

Does Vermont have free college? R B Garr Jan 2020 #3

You do know that Bernie Sanders is not the King of Vermont, right? Perseus Jan 2020 #13

So if he can't get his Revolution ideations implemented in his own state, R B Garr Jan 2020 #20

Vermont tried universal care squirecam Jan 2020 #25

We have learned these past three years that the presidency DOES hold more power Perseus Jan 2020 #57

I realize you are just trying to deflect: What about Obama, What about Biden, but it's Bernie's R B Garr Jan 2020 #60

Not to mention that getting a debt-free education benefits democracy. Reader Rabbit Jan 2020 #6

Yes, that too. Great point. DanTex Jan 2020 #9

This is actually the MOST IMPORTANT point of all. PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #58

It's a tough old world when people's opinions don't line up with yours. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #8

Oh, I'm used to that. I used to live in Texas. DanTex Jan 2020 #11

Excellent post Perseus Jan 2020 #10

It isn't class resentment. It's a pragmatic view of very regressive proposals. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #12

Like I said, the regressiveness argument is effectively bullshit. DanTex Jan 2020 #14

You're making a silly argument. For SS to be as regressive it would have to give hundreds of times highplainsdem Jan 2020 #19

Of course it's a silly argument, just like the silly argument that debt relief is regressive. DanTex Jan 2020 #28

You can help the people who really need help without providing a financial windfalll of up to highplainsdem Jan 2020 #35

Or you can make a program universal, like Social Security (or high school), and that DanTex Jan 2020 #41

I paid to put my daughter through college quaker bill Jan 2020 #18

That is a wonderful reply. Thank you for posting it. LonePirate Jan 2020 #36

if the whole point is just to goose the economy, then go w yang. mopinko Jan 2020 #23

Do you support Warren? Because she's in favor of this. DanTex Jan 2020 #29

your concern is duly noted. mopinko Jan 2020 #32

Not a concern, just a question. I like Warren, because she's for things like this. DanTex Jan 2020 #33

There's a third stance that you ignore Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #26

I'm in favor of helping with student debt when the help is needed. I've posted about Biden's highplainsdem Jan 2020 #37

Yes, but also entirely predictable. redqueen Jan 2020 #30

It is still a divisive issue and it is tone deaf to not realize it NCProgressive Jan 2020 #31

+1,000,000 -- especially your third point. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #38

Your second item should be included in all of these debt forgiveness/paid college plans. LonePirate Jan 2020 #39

What about #1 squirecam Jan 2020 #70

Polls show majority support for both policies. No more "divisive" than anything else the GOP hates. DanTex Jan 2020 #40

More window dressing NCProgressive Jan 2020 #50

"Even if you get Ds and spend all your time smoking weed" mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #53

So we reward squirecam Jan 2020 #71

If you treat education as a luxury good that confers status DBoon Jan 2020 #42

I don't think it disturbing, I think it predictable bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #43

Colleges have mismanaged all this largesse bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #44

I don't get it loyalsister Jan 2020 #45

RANT: Our a$$hole government and student loans infullview Jan 2020 #46

I agree with you as I disagree with you bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #48

I don't necessarily agree. infullview Jan 2020 #52

Agree 100% Squidly Jan 2020 #72

Agree completely. cilla4progress Jan 2020 #47

Great post! One exception to your last paragraph... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #49

Thanks for this. My parents didn't pay for my university education. I did, through loans. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #51

My wife's and my school debts are paid PurgedVoter Jan 2020 #54

+1 BuddhaGirl Jan 2020 #61

Seems like a pointless discussion to me. Mosby Jan 2020 #56

Not pointless, relevant. infullview Jan 2020 #62

Professors like Warren's hubby making $400K is one reason college is so expensive redstateblues Jan 2020 #80

True! Tweedy Jan 2020 #63

Sorry, it's just regressive Recursion Jan 2020 #73

The regressive argument is truly specious. People have pointed it out, and I haven't seen a response DanTex Jan 2020 #74

The claim it is specious is specious Recursion Jan 2020 #75

Now you're arguing based on a *single hypothetical example*. DanTex Jan 2020 #76

Data... you mean like "a chunk?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #77

Since nobody's proposed a dedicated revenue stream, there is no "the data" to look at Recursion Jan 2020 #82

Like I said, even it it were flat-tax funded it would still be progressive. DanTex Jan 2020 #83

Combine it with a cash bonus to people who did not go to college and I'm in Recursion Jan 2020 #88

Fair enough. That's a UBI-ish argument against targeted programs and for straight DanTex Jan 2020 #89

So the problem is really millionaires who own multiple homes... lapucelle Jan 2020 #78

Umm what? They're not a problem. They just can afford to pay higher taxes DanTex Jan 2020 #79

Ummm what...what? Millionaires with multiple homes are the problem lapucelle Jan 2020 #81

Oh brother! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #84

Yes, shed a tear for people swamped in debt. DanTex Jan 2020 #85

Oh good god! GMAFB! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #86

So let me ask you a straight question - Should a person earning almost $200K per year.... George II Jan 2020 #87

Excellent question JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #92

Bitching about "resentment" Codeine Feb 2020 #93