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In reply to the discussion: The reverse class resentment on student debt/free college is disturbing. [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)40. Polls show majority support for both policies. No more "divisive" than anything else the GOP hates.
1. The debt forgiveness/free college has no requirement that these students maintain a certain GPA or perform work in an underserved community.
Right, we don't want two classes of students, the wealthy who have no requirements and the "poor kids" that do. High school its still free even if you get Ds and spend all your time smoking weed. The opportunity is free, it's up to the individual to take advantage of it.
2. What about people who don't go to college but start a trade? An electrician, plumber or mechanic buying tools with debt to start making a living? Why is their debt inferior and not paid for?
Trade schools are free, and both Bernie and Warren and all the candidates have plans to support small businesses. You could just as nonsensically ask why are we helping people who start small businesses but not those who don't. We should help both.
3. Neither Sanders nor Warren proposed this until they ran for POTUS - and thus there is validity in an argument that it is just a ploy to get younger voters. Bernie has been in congress for 30+ years and the first time he thought of this was when he ran for POTUS. Nothing before then.
Umm, that's what people do when they run for president, they put together a platform. Like, Obama didn't have his healthcare plan until he ran for president. Biden didn't propose half the stuff on his platform when he was in congress. Bernie's been a democratic socialist all his life, so pretty sure he was always for free college. Warren used to be a Republican, but she changed her views, which good for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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The reverse class resentment on student debt/free college is disturbing. [View all]
DanTex
Jan 2020
OP
It is resentment. You hate someone getting something for free that you paid for.
LonePirate
Jan 2020
#4
No wonder this country is so fucked up with all of this selfishness and bitterness.
LonePirate
Jan 2020
#27
Similar situation, but don't have a problem with forgiveness or free tuition
bigbrother05
Jan 2020
#15
We have learned these past three years that the presidency DOES hold more power
Perseus
Jan 2020
#57
I realize you are just trying to deflect: What about Obama, What about Biden, but it's Bernie's
R B Garr
Jan 2020
#60
It isn't class resentment. It's a pragmatic view of very regressive proposals.
highplainsdem
Jan 2020
#12
You're making a silly argument. For SS to be as regressive it would have to give hundreds of times
highplainsdem
Jan 2020
#19
Of course it's a silly argument, just like the silly argument that debt relief is regressive.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#28
You can help the people who really need help without providing a financial windfalll of up to
highplainsdem
Jan 2020
#35
Or you can make a program universal, like Social Security (or high school), and that
DanTex
Jan 2020
#41
Not a concern, just a question. I like Warren, because she's for things like this.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#33
I'm in favor of helping with student debt when the help is needed. I've posted about Biden's
highplainsdem
Jan 2020
#37
Your second item should be included in all of these debt forgiveness/paid college plans.
LonePirate
Jan 2020
#39
Polls show majority support for both policies. No more "divisive" than anything else the GOP hates.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#40
Thanks for this. My parents didn't pay for my university education. I did, through loans.
a la izquierda
Jan 2020
#51
Professors like Warren's hubby making $400K is one reason college is so expensive
redstateblues
Jan 2020
#80
The regressive argument is truly specious. People have pointed it out, and I haven't seen a response
DanTex
Jan 2020
#74
Since nobody's proposed a dedicated revenue stream, there is no "the data" to look at
Recursion
Jan 2020
#82
Fair enough. That's a UBI-ish argument against targeted programs and for straight
DanTex
Jan 2020
#89
So let me ask you a straight question - Should a person earning almost $200K per year....
George II
Jan 2020
#87