Democratic Primaries

markpkessinger

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42. No artument with . . .

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 04:33 PM

Jan 2020

I have no argument with the statement that "Hillary won the nomination because a majority of actual Democrats wanted her to be their candidate." The problem is that those "actual Democrats" ignored Hillary's historically high disapproval ratings among independent/unaffilated voters, who are a critical constituency that Democrats need to draw significantly from if they are to win national elections..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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It is beyond strange that people think 1972 is a better predictor of 2020 than 2016 [View all] markpkessinger Jan 2020 OP

Thank you, sir!! Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #1

Good point RandySF Jan 2020 #2

Centrists? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #3

And McGovern met your standard by any measwure . . . markpkessinger Jan 2020 #7

We had a populist running "as a Democrat" in 1972. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #9

If Bernie is a "populist," then so was FDR markpkessinger Jan 2020 #14

Centrist has become an epithet, apparently. And you seem to define it a any Democrat not ehrnst Jan 2020 #29

FDR was a certified member of the privileged power elite. Hortensis Jan 2020 #53

You fail to examine the specific comparisons made LanternWaste Jan 2020 #32

You're right. The country is different now calguy Jan 2020 #52

Centrist Go Vols Jan 2020 #36

And long since, the Democratic Party is PROVEN to have returned Hortensis Jan 2020 #54

ok... how many Bernie backed candidates in contested areas lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #4

I'll do Democratic Congressional & Senatorial Campaign Committees as a benchmark. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #6

Do you mean 2018 when we had the BLUE WAVE House Cha Jan 2020 #11

yes, typo - 2018 lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #18

Any analysis of 2016 that ignores Russia is naive at best. delisen Jan 2020 #5

any analysis of 2020 that ignores russia is the same. mopinko Jan 2020 #35

LOL @ 'anti-establishment fervor was running at a high' after 8 years of Obama. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #8

I wonder if some people were alive in 1972? The Valley Below Jan 2020 #10

"Hey, hey, ACA! How many kids did you kill today?" Scurrilous Jan 2020 #17

The "centrists" who WON the BLUE WAVE House Victory in 2018! Cha Jan 2020 #12

Yep! BS did think that he would be the one having the most influence in the 2018 blue wave. ehrnst Jan 2020 #25

Yes, it was Nancy Pelosi advising to campaign on ACA who help immensely Cha Jan 2020 #38

Speaker Pelosi will be treated better by history than she is now. See also: ehrnst Jan 2020 #49

I don't think it'll be like 1972... Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #13

I grew up in Pennsylvania . . . markpkessinger Jan 2020 #15

Again, it's the margins. Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #16

Following the logic of your own post . . . markpkessinger Jan 2020 #45

Moderates didn't go for Hillary by near the margin they did Obama... Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #60

A self described Socialist.. and not a uniter like Joe Biden.. Cha Jan 2020 #19

It remains to be seen whether Biden will be any more of uniter than anyone else n/t markpkessinger Jan 2020 #44

I keep reading fantasies about a brokered convention tirebiter Jan 2020 #20

Maybe you have a point on 1972 Hav Jan 2020 #21

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #28

No artument with . . . markpkessinger Jan 2020 #42

'Those" Actual Democrats... you write that as though you're not one. ehrnst Jan 2020 #58

No argument with the systemic problems of the electoral college . .. markpkessinger Jan 2020 #43

Yes, she got more votes than anyone not named Obama... ehrnst Jan 2020 #50

The raw number of votes was a result of turnout and a larger electorate markpkessinger Jan 2020 #56

You skipped this part... she got that "raw" number despite... ehrnst Jan 2020 #57

What other candidate was up against Russia, the FBI director and misogyny... ehrnst Jan 2020 #59

If it's status quo repairman vs gonna fuck shit up Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #22

"Win again?" Who is the "gonna fuck shit up" in your metaphor? ehrnst Jan 2020 #24

Who thinks this? ehrnst Jan 2020 #23

Have you read some of the responses to this thread?; n/t markpkessinger Jan 2020 #39

Are you saying that the OP predicted that in advance of posting.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #48

Yes, including one of yours that's gone missing. Hillary's approval Hortensis Jan 2020 #55

Amen. Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #26

1972 was prosperity & propaganda "better dead than red" Prosper Jan 2020 #27

How about Britain 2019 then? dsc Jan 2020 #30

I am not convinced British politics are necessarily a good barometer of U.S. politics n/t markpkessinger Jan 2020 #40

we didn't hear that. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #41

It is beyond strange that people think 2016 is a better predictor of 2020 than 2018 brooklynite Jan 2020 #31

A midterm is a different animal from a presidential election n/t markpkessinger Jan 2020 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #33

The 2020 election will be won or lost in the suburbs. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2020 #34

Marshall Matz, who was a policy adviser for Sen. George McGovern's failed 1972 bid is worried Gothmog Jan 2020 #37

2016 The Revolution Jan 2020 #46

but not quite as strange as people believing that the 1930s are a better predictor Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #51

Spot on. BlueWI Jan 2020 #61

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #62