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beastie boy

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50. A funny definition of "cut". Of course, it called for some creative rhetoric.

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 05:04 PM

Jan 2020

Should I go on to explain how a potentially (but not necessarily) smaller increase is different from a cut?

Ok, if you insist. Let's say your social security check was $100 a month last year. You get a $5 per month increase this year. And you get an additional $4 per month increase next year. Which increase would you call a cut?

I guess I should count every person who knows how to add as lobbyists.

But tell this to a 30 year old who is paying into SS now. If the Social Security fund dries out by the time they are 67, guess what their monthly social security check will be? Zero. That's 100 bucks LESS than it was last year. But that's not a cut, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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People here should know who Third Way is. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

Perhaps you could point out some posts here that fit your description. MineralMan Jan 2020 #1

Well, for example, this OP links to a Third Way written article. DanTex Jan 2020 #6

I saw that. Democrats hold a wide range of political views, all to the left MineralMan Jan 2020 #10

I got nothing but love for moderate Dems. DanTex Jan 2020 #20

Oh, yes, that's very clear, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2020 #26

I love how you're supposed to listen contritely as you're lectured about "big tent-ism" Doremus Jan 2020 #41

By your own call, Sanders is "centrist," or third way, Hortensis Jan 2020 #61

Umm, if he were part of Third Way, he'd be listed on the Third Way website with their staff. DanTex Jan 2020 #62

Oh, ONLY those legislators who belonged to that GROUP Hortensis Jan 2020 #65

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about in the OP. That specific group. DanTex Jan 2020 #72

Smearing Democrats as centrist and third way is wrong. Hortensis Jan 2020 #74

How is third way a smear when that's the name they chose for their group? DanTex Jan 2020 #75

But what about praising a Reagan law that cut off SS completely from ehrnst Jan 2020 #71

I was quite aware of the authors when posting. They made some very good points Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #11

Go to the primary forum where every other post is a Bernie hit piece. brutus smith Jan 2020 #7

I'm not quite sure that that sentence was supposed to say. MineralMan Jan 2020 #12

I fixed it. brutus smith Jan 2020 #56

"Centrist" is this season's replacement for "neoliberals" OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #9

I understand. I'm trying to get the original poster to understand that. MineralMan Jan 2020 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Jan 2020 #21

Thank you! Nailed that one. "Establishment Dems" speaker Pelosi, prez Obama, Schiff, Lewis, Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #17

Excellent post! I just saw this and posted the same thought. R B Garr Jan 2020 #18

We Democrats are the party that championed Social Security and have protected it OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #23

It's a plain fact that Third Way wants to cut Social Security. DanTex Jan 2020 #27

Utter rubbish. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #28

I mean, they actually publish plans to cut Social Security. Like this one. DanTex Jan 2020 #30

"Jan 21, 2011" TwilightZone Jan 2020 #35

And before that, too. They've been wanting to cut Social Security for over a decade. DanTex Jan 2020 #36

Like praising a Reagan era law that cut off people under 67 for benefits? ehrnst Jan 2020 #69

You mean like that Reagan law that cut it off from people under 67? ehrnst Jan 2020 #70

Amen, another perfect post. You have it exactly right. R B Garr Jan 2020 #32

Nothing beats this OP's poster's bizarre "faux woke centrists". OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #22

+1000 brutus smith Jan 2020 #2

Are you really undecided? RandySF Jan 2020 #3

LOL still_one Jan 2020 #4

Just undeclared, perhaps. MineralMan Jan 2020 #5

Yeah, I just want to beat Trump. Leaning Yang, but undecided. DanTex Jan 2020 #8

It's a complete change in narrative, too. R B Garr Jan 2020 #16

Yup. ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #37

Thanks for the info re: Third Way. I bookmarked it. abqtommy Jan 2020 #13

Loving the change-up in wording -- so trendy! R B Garr Jan 2020 #14

Ouch!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #19

The hipster-flavored key-words are their tell. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #45

So can we call "unicorns and rainbows" Boomer flavored key words? redqueen Jan 2020 #58

Centrist is a new word to me. showblue22 Jan 2020 #24

Welcome to the world of "re-framing." LOL. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #46

Most people on DU who aren't new to politics are aware of Third Way. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #25

The other "third way" moved Dems to the right 35 years ago and called it progressive. Go Vols Jan 2020 #29

Informative, thanks for posting this. JudyM Jan 2020 #81

the our revolution crowd seeks to undermine democrats using any poison available IMO nt msongs Jan 2020 #31

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #33

Are you defining HRC as third way? She is just right of Sanders. Harris is left of Sanders. Bananaluver Jan 2020 #34

What? There's no "defining" Third Way. It's an actual organization, with staff and funding. DanTex Jan 2020 #39

You mean the people who got us the only Presidential wins between 1980 and 2020? Recursion Jan 2020 #38

Third Way came into existence in 2005. And I would hardly give them credit DanTex Jan 2020 #42

According to the Boston Globe it was 2004 redqueen Jan 2020 #63

It seems your biggest beef with Third Way is their stance on Social Security. beastie boy Jan 2020 #40

That's correct. Because that's the only stance they have that has ever mattered. DanTex Jan 2020 #44

A funny definition of "cut". Of course, it called for some creative rhetoric. beastie boy Jan 2020 #50

Yes, "cut", meaning "make lower". DanTex Jan 2020 #52

No, "cut" means "make less". Not "make more by a lower amount" beastie boy Jan 2020 #53

Yes, chained-CPI would make future social security payments to seniors "less" than they are now. DanTex Jan 2020 #54

No, chained CPI won't make SS payments "less" than they are now. This fact is obvious on its face. beastie boy Jan 2020 #55

Yes, they obviously would. Right now those payments are linked to one formula. DanTex Jan 2020 #57

SS COLAs are not guaranteed by law unless and until they've been announced. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #67

How about praising a Reagan law that raised the age to 67 from 65, and increased taxes on the ehrnst Jan 2020 #68

No rationally based objections to raising the age to 70? redqueen Jan 2020 #60

Ok, one semi rational objection beastie boy Jan 2020 #73

People should also know it's often used a boogey-man. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #43

K&r- folks need info to avoid voting against their own interests nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #47

They're the 'forces' in the party Wellstone warned us about. redqueen Jan 2020 #48

I really do not care abut this Gothmog Jan 2020 #49

And others really do not care about Wall Street- / Koch Brothers-funded redqueen Jan 2020 #64

k and R riversedge Jan 2020 #51

Third Way mcar Jan 2020 #59

Oooh- scary centrist straw men everywhere. redstateblues Jan 2020 #66

not a fan. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #76

Don't confuse disingenuousness with ignorance. n/t stranger81 Jan 2020 #77

it's turd way juxtaposed Jan 2020 #78

Stop trying to make Joe-Biden-wants-to-cut-social-security happen. betsuni Jan 2020 #79

Thank you for the great post DanTex. CentralMass Jan 2020 #80

... the ghosts of primaries past. wyldwolf Jan 2020 #82