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77. Don't confuse disingenuousness with ignorance. n/t

Reply to DanTex (Original post)

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 07:57 PM

Jan 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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People here should know who Third Way is. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

Perhaps you could point out some posts here that fit your description. MineralMan Jan 2020 #1

Well, for example, this OP links to a Third Way written article. DanTex Jan 2020 #6

I saw that. Democrats hold a wide range of political views, all to the left MineralMan Jan 2020 #10

I got nothing but love for moderate Dems. DanTex Jan 2020 #20

Oh, yes, that's very clear, indeed. MineralMan Jan 2020 #26

I love how you're supposed to listen contritely as you're lectured about "big tent-ism" Doremus Jan 2020 #41

By your own call, Sanders is "centrist," or third way, Hortensis Jan 2020 #61

Umm, if he were part of Third Way, he'd be listed on the Third Way website with their staff. DanTex Jan 2020 #62

Oh, ONLY those legislators who belonged to that GROUP Hortensis Jan 2020 #65

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about in the OP. That specific group. DanTex Jan 2020 #72

Smearing Democrats as centrist and third way is wrong. Hortensis Jan 2020 #74

How is third way a smear when that's the name they chose for their group? DanTex Jan 2020 #75

But what about praising a Reagan law that cut off SS completely from ehrnst Jan 2020 #71

I was quite aware of the authors when posting. They made some very good points Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #11

Go to the primary forum where every other post is a Bernie hit piece. brutus smith Jan 2020 #7

I'm not quite sure that that sentence was supposed to say. MineralMan Jan 2020 #12

I fixed it. brutus smith Jan 2020 #56

"Centrist" is this season's replacement for "neoliberals" OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #9

I understand. I'm trying to get the original poster to understand that. MineralMan Jan 2020 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Jan 2020 #21

Thank you! Nailed that one. "Establishment Dems" speaker Pelosi, prez Obama, Schiff, Lewis, Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #17

Excellent post! I just saw this and posted the same thought. R B Garr Jan 2020 #18

We Democrats are the party that championed Social Security and have protected it OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #23

It's a plain fact that Third Way wants to cut Social Security. DanTex Jan 2020 #27

Utter rubbish. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #28

I mean, they actually publish plans to cut Social Security. Like this one. DanTex Jan 2020 #30

"Jan 21, 2011" TwilightZone Jan 2020 #35

And before that, too. They've been wanting to cut Social Security for over a decade. DanTex Jan 2020 #36

Like praising a Reagan era law that cut off people under 67 for benefits? ehrnst Jan 2020 #69

You mean like that Reagan law that cut it off from people under 67? ehrnst Jan 2020 #70

Amen, another perfect post. You have it exactly right. R B Garr Jan 2020 #32

Nothing beats this OP's poster's bizarre "faux woke centrists". OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #22

+1000 brutus smith Jan 2020 #2

Are you really undecided? RandySF Jan 2020 #3

LOL still_one Jan 2020 #4

Just undeclared, perhaps. MineralMan Jan 2020 #5

Yeah, I just want to beat Trump. Leaning Yang, but undecided. DanTex Jan 2020 #8

It's a complete change in narrative, too. R B Garr Jan 2020 #16

Yup. ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #37

Thanks for the info re: Third Way. I bookmarked it. abqtommy Jan 2020 #13

Loving the change-up in wording -- so trendy! R B Garr Jan 2020 #14

Ouch!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #19

The hipster-flavored key-words are their tell. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #45

So can we call "unicorns and rainbows" Boomer flavored key words? redqueen Jan 2020 #58

Centrist is a new word to me. showblue22 Jan 2020 #24

Welcome to the world of "re-framing." LOL. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #46

Most people on DU who aren't new to politics are aware of Third Way. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #25

The other "third way" moved Dems to the right 35 years ago and called it progressive. Go Vols Jan 2020 #29

Informative, thanks for posting this. JudyM Jan 2020 #81

the our revolution crowd seeks to undermine democrats using any poison available IMO nt msongs Jan 2020 #31

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #33

Are you defining HRC as third way? She is just right of Sanders. Harris is left of Sanders. Bananaluver Jan 2020 #34

What? There's no "defining" Third Way. It's an actual organization, with staff and funding. DanTex Jan 2020 #39

You mean the people who got us the only Presidential wins between 1980 and 2020? Recursion Jan 2020 #38

Third Way came into existence in 2005. And I would hardly give them credit DanTex Jan 2020 #42

According to the Boston Globe it was 2004 redqueen Jan 2020 #63

It seems your biggest beef with Third Way is their stance on Social Security. beastie boy Jan 2020 #40

That's correct. Because that's the only stance they have that has ever mattered. DanTex Jan 2020 #44

A funny definition of "cut". Of course, it called for some creative rhetoric. beastie boy Jan 2020 #50

Yes, "cut", meaning "make lower". DanTex Jan 2020 #52

No, "cut" means "make less". Not "make more by a lower amount" beastie boy Jan 2020 #53

Yes, chained-CPI would make future social security payments to seniors "less" than they are now. DanTex Jan 2020 #54

No, chained CPI won't make SS payments "less" than they are now. This fact is obvious on its face. beastie boy Jan 2020 #55

Yes, they obviously would. Right now those payments are linked to one formula. DanTex Jan 2020 #57

SS COLAs are not guaranteed by law unless and until they've been announced. OilemFirchen Jan 2020 #67

How about praising a Reagan law that raised the age to 67 from 65, and increased taxes on the ehrnst Jan 2020 #68

No rationally based objections to raising the age to 70? redqueen Jan 2020 #60

Ok, one semi rational objection beastie boy Jan 2020 #73

People should also know it's often used a boogey-man. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #43

K&r- folks need info to avoid voting against their own interests nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #47

They're the 'forces' in the party Wellstone warned us about. redqueen Jan 2020 #48

I really do not care abut this Gothmog Jan 2020 #49

And others really do not care about Wall Street- / Koch Brothers-funded redqueen Jan 2020 #64

k and R riversedge Jan 2020 #51

Third Way mcar Jan 2020 #59

Oooh- scary centrist straw men everywhere. redstateblues Jan 2020 #66

not a fan. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #76

Don't confuse disingenuousness with ignorance. n/t stranger81 Jan 2020 #77

it's turd way juxtaposed Jan 2020 #78

Stop trying to make Joe-Biden-wants-to-cut-social-security happen. betsuni Jan 2020 #79

Thank you for the great post DanTex. CentralMass Jan 2020 #80

... the ghosts of primaries past. wyldwolf Jan 2020 #82