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In reply to the discussion: Democrats court doom by backing Bernie Sanders. His ideas are toxic outside blue America. [View all]Gothmog
(181,713 posts)105. trump would destroy a weak candidate like sanders
In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long gameattacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of colorfor example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for herClinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Democrats court doom by backing Bernie Sanders. His ideas are toxic outside blue America. [View all]
Gothmog
Jan 2020
OP
Third Way is an advocacy group. They are in favor of SS cuts and other "centrist"
DanTex
Jan 2020
#7
I don't understand your question. What "names" other than Third Way do you mean?
DanTex
Jan 2020
#10
It's also an organization. And the people who wrote this article work for Third Way.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#96
Well, they wrote this article, so they have enough pull to get journals to give them space.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#98
Pretty fun to pretend we know whose friends are whose. As long as we admit it's pretense.
LanternWaste
Jan 2020
#94
LOL. The "cuts" are on billionaires and multi-millionares via means testing.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#18
I don't know, apparently there are some voters out there (and here) that want to cut SS.
DanTex
Jan 2020
#36
Joe should just admit to his past positions on SS and Medicare, but, understandably, he can't.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#41
Means testing turns Social Security recipients into just another group that is . . .
markpkessinger
Jan 2020
#71
So billionaires and (at least for a time) millionaires get slagged on 24/7
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#73
"What Republicans think" has a funny way of influencing what centrist Democrats think n/t
markpkessinger
Jan 2020
#74
Oh, now THERE's a comment that will unify the party and inspire votersto turn out at the polls .. .
markpkessinger
Jan 2020
#77
Unifying the party doesn't seem to me like where you are going with these BS attacks.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#78
Your posts have shown a HUGE problem with anyone you consider "centrist" which is
ehrnst
Jan 2020
#87
Yeaaa, they may be talking about Bernie now but honestly, I think it'll be all about Bloomberg soon
Vivienne235729
Jan 2020
#12
The great liberal Democrat Joe Biden is ahead, has always been ahead, and is on track
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#20
I won't argue w that. I can see him picking off JB's #'s. But I don't think thats a bad thing right
Vivienne235729
Jan 2020
#23
Biden took the fight to Trump from day one. He defined the 2020 election more profoundly than
emmaverybo
Jan 2020
#80
Nope, I heard it. I also heard them go after each other which really dilutes their attack on trump.
Vivienne235729
Feb 2020
#144
Yup, lovin' it. Hillary's latest urge to run may bring her into the race too...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#38
We've tried goin the centrist route several times recently, without success...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#51
George McGovern was a very decent man. In contrast, Nixon's campaign
OneMoreCupOfCoffee
Jan 2020
#83
Not that long ago this kind of crap would not have been tolerated on DU. I'm beginning to think
lutherj
Jan 2020
#22
sure is interesting how russian bots sneak these progressive hit pieces into DU nt
yaesu
Jan 2020
#26
Are you accusing Gothmog of being a Russian bot, or am I misunderstanding your post?
Jedi Guy
Feb 2020
#153
You say you are Bernie or bust; will you support the Democratic nominee if it is not Sanders?
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2020
#50
What is really toxic is that article, nothing to rejoice about even if you don't support Sanders
Perseus
Jan 2020
#42
I believe with a moderate candidate we could get many Pub votes from thosse who are disgusted with
napi21
Jan 2020
#52
We're repeating the same mistakes of 2016 and are going to lose if it keeps up.
Chicago1980
Jan 2020
#58
The establishment does indeed have a lot to lose with a Sanders candidacy.
Scotch-Irish
Jan 2020
#109
That's just not true. Sanders appeals to a lot of the trump voters that wanted someone
Scotch-Irish
Jan 2020
#111
I was a delegate in 2016 and right now I plan on honoring the tradition of letting other people go
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#119
The status quo would be re-electing trump which is what happen if sanders is nominee
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#114
I do not want to see trump re-elected due to such a weak candidate like sanders
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#120