Democratic Primaries

DanTex

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21. I'm making a rational case for electability. Call it what you will, but you ignore the facts.

Sun Feb 2, 2020, 02:51 PM

Feb 2020

Bernie did lose the primary. Then Hillary lost the general. And IRW and NAFTA played heavily, as did Wall Street connections.

You can deny that all you want. You can call them "Bernie talking points." But those are facts. Nobody thinks that Hillary is president right now.

Attacking me personally or accusing me of changing my mind in the face of evidence doesn't change those facts either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Pundits, NAFTA, IWR, Wall Street, and Electability. [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

Bernie is wrong about NAFTA and TPP showblue22 Feb 2020 #1

Maybe, maybe not. But voters, especially in industrial swing states, agree with Bernie. DanTex Feb 2020 #3

I think People now know showblue22 Feb 2020 #5

Manufacturing is not coming back to those states. If he tells them it's coming redstateblues Feb 2020 #31

US employment levels is only one reason to object to the global trade regime PETRUS Feb 2020 #14

USA loves cheap things from China and others showblue22 Feb 2020 #15

That response suggests there is much you do not understand. PETRUS Feb 2020 #17

Wages for working families have been essentially stagnant for over 40 years. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #28

That's another point. PETRUS Feb 2020 #32

Exactly. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #33

The steel industry and farmers have been hit hard due to tariffs. octoberlib Feb 2020 #24

You were a Hillary supporter and switched to Bernie. You keep trying to conflate the Democratic R B Garr Feb 2020 #2

Yes. And I got 2016 just as wrong as the pundits. DanTex Feb 2020 #4

No offense, but you have gotten a lot more wrong than 2016. It's just an observation R B Garr Feb 2020 #6

Your personal attacks are great and all, but the fact remains. DanTex Feb 2020 #7

Observing that you are omitting large portions of news cycles that are common knowledge R B Garr Feb 2020 #8

The general election is what matters, in the end. DanTex Feb 2020 #9

No, the whole point is that you are cherry picking Bernie's talking points that failed R B Garr Feb 2020 #11

You seem to think that changing one's views in the face of new evidence is a bad thing. DanTex Feb 2020 #19

Let's face it, you are just adopting Bernie's talking points and repeating them without any context R B Garr Feb 2020 #20

I'm making a rational case for electability. Call it what you will, but you ignore the facts. DanTex Feb 2020 #21

Actually, you are the one inoring the facts. Your changed opinions aren't fact. R B Garr Feb 2020 #22

My changed opinions are based on facts that weren't available previously. DanTex Feb 2020 #23

You refuse to acknowledge the 2018 Blue Wave that completely contradicts R B Garr Feb 2020 #25

That was a midterm, which as everyone knows, is totally different dynamic. DanTex Feb 2020 #26

The Blue Wave completely contradicts you. Now you are throwing in "dynamic" as if that excludes R B Garr Feb 2020 #27

Again, that was a midterm. 2016 was a presidential election. DanTex Feb 2020 #29

A midterm is still an election. If midterms don't matter, then neither does AOC. R B Garr Feb 2020 #30

Of course they matter, as does AOC. DanTex Feb 2020 #35

It certainly isn't an attack to notice that your posts do not R B Garr Feb 2020 #36

There was a huge turnout in 2018. Did any of the "Our Revolution" candidates win? redstateblues Feb 2020 #34

I agree. That is why I am supporting Joe Biden. MineralMan Feb 2020 #12

You wrote: Sloumeau Feb 2020 #10

Obama campaigned against NAFTA in 2008. It was one if the big issues. DanTex Feb 2020 #13

The Democrats have won the popular vote for President in six of the last seven elections. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #16

Yes. The Electoral College is a problem. DanTex Feb 2020 #18