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bluewater

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21. Your argument is simply flawed and based on cherry picking examples.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 12:31 PM
Feb 2020

The data shows the eventual nominee outperforms the contested field in IA, for example.

You keep making the mistake of saying, essentially, "but someone else wins sometimes, so there is no correlation".

Looking at contested nominations from 1972 onwards, the eventual nominee has WON IOWA 11 times. Someone else, from a field of multiple candidates, has won only 8 times.

That's 11 to 8 for the eventual nominee winning Iowa. If those were just head to head races, the eventual nominee would be winning 58% of the time.

But, there were more than two candidates in all those contested fields. The eventual nominee VASTLY outperforms the field in winning Iowa.

Contested Iowa Caucus Winners versus Becoming Nominee

1972 Muskie - NO
1976 Ford - YES
1976 carter - YES
1980 Carter - YES
1980 Bush - NO
1984 Mondale -YES
1988 Gephardt- NO
1992 Harkin - NO
1996 DOLE - YES
2000 Gore - YES
2000 Bush - YES
2004 Kerry - YES
2008 Huckabee - NO
2008 Obama - YES
2012 Santorum - NO
2016 Clinton - YES
2016 Cruz - NO



Hence, Your argument is simply flawed and based on cherry picking examples.

Enjoy the rest of your day

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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No more Iowa polls. That's over. [View all] MineralMan Feb 2020 OP
one more poll.... getagrip_already Feb 2020 #1
This!! Thekaspervote Feb 2020 #2
Yes, the only decisive one, too. MineralMan Feb 2020 #5
unfortunately, given the new mechanics of reporting.... getagrip_already Feb 2020 #8
"They are a time to yell at your neighbors, coworkers, employees,, and family while bullying them. . rsdsharp Feb 2020 #24
I've seen it pandr32 Feb 2020 #26
May I ask where in Iowa the occurred? rsdsharp Feb 2020 #28
Washington State ahead of the 2016 election pandr32 Feb 2020 #29
I'm sorry about you experience in Washington. rsdsharp Feb 2020 #31
I sure hope it doesn't happen there pandr32 Feb 2020 #33
Lowering expectations again? bluewater Feb 2020 #3
it's NEVER been important to a frontrunner... getagrip_already Feb 2020 #4
Cherry picking? Seems so. bluewater Feb 2020 #7
actually, it proves my point... getagrip_already Feb 2020 #10
Actually, it does not. bluewater Feb 2020 #16
I feel like I'm talking to trump... ;) getagrip_already Feb 2020 #17
Your argument is simply flawed and based on cherry picking examples. bluewater Feb 2020 #21
Thanks for this Dave in VA Feb 2020 #11
Didn't batshit crazy Michelle Bachman once win one of these? happybird Feb 2020 #30
Not at all. I've been saying that the Iowa caucuses are meaningless MineralMan Feb 2020 #6
Using your logic, no individual state matters much then. bluewater Feb 2020 #12
Yes, well...who got Iowa's electors in 2016? MineralMan Feb 2020 #15
"Iowa's interesting, but not really very important at all..." myohmy2 Feb 2020 #9
Not at all. As I said, even if the candidate I support gets the most MineralMan Feb 2020 #13
not at all, just realistic... getagrip_already Feb 2020 #14
Obama. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #18
apologies... fixed... learning disability. ;) n/t getagrip_already Feb 2020 #19
No worries. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #20
Breaking! underpants Feb 2020 #22
They muffed the last one. RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #23
Um, not quite. 538 just added two results from a new Iowa poll. The primary results have Buttigieg highplainsdem Feb 2020 #25
Groan bluewater Feb 2020 #27
"Iowa's interesting, but not really very important at all, in the race to the nomination." Progress_Dem Feb 2020 #32
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