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In reply to the discussion: How many Democrats will stay home if Sanders wins the nomination? [View all]Gothmog
(174,176 posts)70. While Real Democrats will turnout, trump will easily destroy a weak candidate like sanders
I am very worried about down ballot races. sanders is a very weak candidate and would be easy for trump to destroy. In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders.
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trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long gameattacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of colorfor example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for herClinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
I will vote for the nominee of the party but I fear that the nomination of sanders will lead to a Speaker Kevin McCarthy
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Many can not fathom just how dirty the Republicans can get. They have hundreds of Atwaters.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#159
She's a banned antisemitic troll who pretended to support a candidate but really didn't and is
Autumn
Feb 2020
#84
I would never threaten to stay home, what about some others is the question who are not committed?
olegramps
Feb 2020
#8
None. Bernie can get a lot of the voters who previously stayed home or went to Trump.
Autumn
Feb 2020
#7
The election will be decided by Independents, not by either Republicans or Dems.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#13
And a lot of Independents will go to Bernie, he has been very strong with them in the past.
Autumn
Feb 2020
#20
He got close to 50% of Independents in NH the last time and was strong with Independents elsewhere.
Autumn
Feb 2020
#35
The Iowa caucus just started today so we don't know they are nowhere to be found do we?
Autumn
Feb 2020
#54
A lot of voters sat out the last election I don't believe they will this time. Trump is a known
Autumn
Feb 2020
#64
If this is true, then the most logical thing to do would be to make him the nominee.
JudyM
Feb 2020
#21
Simple math. We win more votes w/Sanders if your statements about who defects is correct.
JudyM
Feb 2020
#27
He gets more of the independent vote. That's why he does better in open primaries.
JudyM
Feb 2020
#43
If Sanders wins the nomination and Bloomberg runs third party, we are in serious trouble
Polybius
Feb 2020
#46
Yes, but with Sanders as the nominee, you may actually see nobody get 270 Electoral Votes
Zolorp
Feb 2020
#47
I also know and have also spoken with numerous Democrats who won't vote for an admitted Socialist...
NurseJackie
Feb 2020
#23
I have also had discussions with Democrats who blame Clinton's loss of the election on Sanders.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#25
Everybody will be together to get trump out. Democracy and the USA depends on it.
rockfordfile
Feb 2020
#30
If I was an enthusiastic supporter of Bernie, then I would consider making that argument.
TexasTowelie
Feb 2020
#49
I don't find anything amusing about the prospect about people not voting. YMMV.
TexasTowelie
Feb 2020
#168
But what affect will he have on the outcome? That has many party members concerned.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#44
To go further, females comprise a majority of Democratic voters and non-voters
pecosbob
Feb 2020
#163
Oh, yeah?? Well, I'll vote for a rotting fish head smoking a smelly cigar rather than Filthy Donnie!
Squinch
Feb 2020
#107
I know of 3 family members who currently say they won't vote for Bernie... its very upsetting!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#32
My post was not to divide but to ask a simple question of paramount importance.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#53
I don't believe that any member of this board would stay home. We are committed.
olegramps
Feb 2020
#60
Bernie's trade policies appeal strongly to the folks that lost us the last election
Tiggeroshii
Feb 2020
#58
the other question is how may sanders supporters will stay home of he doesnt get the nom..
samnsara
Feb 2020
#61
None who are thinking clearly, given that Trump would be the alternative. If Sanders becomes our
highplainsdem
Feb 2020
#63
Whichever Democrats tell themselves four more years of Trump will be fine.
Aaron Pereira
Feb 2020
#66
While Real Democrats will turnout, trump will easily destroy a weak candidate like sanders
Gothmog
Feb 2020
#70
Charlotte.It doesn't help that the Democrats on the city council and our Dem Mayor
octoberlib
Feb 2020
#105
Probably none, but Democrats alone won't win this election, which makes this
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#94
I don't know any that will "stay home". I do know ones that won't support that ticket though.
Amimnoch
Feb 2020
#108
There will be some no matter who gets the nomination. It will be difficult for me
doc03
Feb 2020
#128
The black vote will be jeopardized if Sanders is the candidate, and we lose if that happens.
stopbush
Feb 2020
#131
The answer to that should be: NO ONE. I'll have to hold my nose, but Iwill vote for him
Vivienne235729
Feb 2020
#138
I hate to say this but I really feel like Bernie's objective is to split the vote.
tavernier
Feb 2020
#147
If you can't stand Trump & care about our country, staying or voting 3rd party is...
WePurrsevere
Feb 2020
#157
If we lose with Bernie in November I'm going to remind a lot of people about this thread
Kentonio
Feb 2020
#169