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87. No rigging, but a lot of ignorance about how primaries work
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 07:56 PM
Feb 2020

and that they don't work the same in all states.

California sent out its mail-in ballots today, so I expect that in a week or so we'll be seeing a repeat of the 2016 confusion. California has a semi-closed primary in that voters registered with a party can only vote in that party's primary: however, each party can choose whether of not it will let No Party Preference voters (aka Independents) to vote in its primary. This year, as in 2016, the Democratic, American Independent, and Libertarian parties are allowing this while the other three are not. The kicker, though, is that an Independent voter has to ask for the ballot for the party they want: if they don't, they get the non-partisan ballot with all the other races and issues but not the president. My county was proactive and sent out a reminder back in November with a postage-paid reply card to ensure Independent voters get the ballot they want: based on 2016, though, I expect a lot of whining about how this has been done especially to discourage Bernie voters. California has been running primaries this way since 2000.

New York has improved its voting requirements for primaries since 2016: non-affiliated voters now can change their party to Democratic as late as mid-February for the end of April primary - this is better than the previous requirement to change party affiliation according to some arcane formula that turned out to be 10/2015. Or was it earlier - it was arcane. AFAIK, though, New York still has the weird process whereby polls in counties around New York City and Buffalo are open longer than those in rural counties, which was supposed to have been a way to discourage voters in areas where Sanders had more support. The weird hours went back to the early 1900s.

The other accusations I expect to see include "someone switched my party". There were a lot of these back in 2016, and the only one I know of came from a DUer who was reminded that she had posted the previous year that she herself had changed parties for what seemed like a good reason and then forgot to change back.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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No and No. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #2
I am not trying to re fight the '16 primaries...I am trying Baltimike Feb 2020 #3
There are tons of posts here all the time about how the general election was stolen MichMan Feb 2020 #6
That's because the general election *was* stolen Baltimike Feb 2020 #49
The general election was 'rigged' by Republicans with the help of Russia. n/t PatrickforO Feb 2020 #19
this. nt Baltimike Feb 2020 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author progressoid Feb 2020 #55
Yep. calimary Feb 2020 #52
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #66
"Possible answer" to what? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #71
The question posted by the person I responded to. Go Vols Feb 2020 #75
What answer to the question "Does anyone think the DNC rigged the primaries?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #78
No. "Rigged" implies something dishonest. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #4
No mcar Feb 2020 #5
No Mz Pip Feb 2020 #7
No RandySF Feb 2020 #8
No Gothmog Feb 2020 #9
There are only two campaigns that I've seen ever claim that any primaries/elections were "rigged". George II Feb 2020 #10
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #12
I keep hearing it now...it's crazy. nt Baltimike Feb 2020 #42
I say no, but... Lord Wilmore Feb 2020 #11
That's not going to happen. The rumors that the "DNC" is thinking of changing the rules... George II Feb 2020 #15
You mean, so that a candidate who didn't get the votes from Democratic voters wouldn't feel ehrnst Feb 2020 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #67
So you think that having superdelegates promotes "an argument that the primaries are ehrnst Feb 2020 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #69
You "don't think" that is going to happen? You have reason to think that it might? ehrnst Feb 2020 #70
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #74
Superdelegates that declare are simply endorsements. ehrnst Feb 2020 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #82
Your statements are contradicting each other. ehrnst Feb 2020 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #86
I'm with the Black Congressional Caucus on Superdelegates ehrnst Feb 2020 #88
Good grief.. what loser insulting talk. Cha Feb 2020 #91
Indeed. Wilmore, we hardly knew ye... ehrnst Feb 2020 #93
Oh.. enough Cha Feb 2020 #94
No. LisaM Feb 2020 #13
I was at the DNC RBC meeting when that decision was made. lapucelle Feb 2020 #56
The DNC is an impotent, toothless organization that couldn't rig a primary to save their lives. StevieM Feb 2020 #14
Are you sure you're logged in to the right discussion board? ehrnst Feb 2020 #89
NO N/T Horizens Feb 2020 #16
No relayerbob Feb 2020 #17
Nope. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #18
NOPE stopdiggin Feb 2020 #20
The Myth of the All-Powerful DNC. Read this: betsuni Feb 2020 #21
Nope. nt LAS14 Feb 2020 #22
I always see these people on Twitter videohead5 Feb 2020 #23
You don't have to rig an election you win by four million votes. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #24
but... but... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #31
No, more BS nonsense. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #25
+1 MontanaMama Feb 2020 #81
No. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #26
Losers always claim it was rigged in some way. Hoyt Feb 2020 #27
Nope. The DNC did their jobs. wyldwolf Feb 2020 #28
No, it's called integrity. That's who we are. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #29
lol Bernie is not a victim ! stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #30
Establishment DNC does not want Bernie Sanders as their candidate. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #32
I think rigged is too strong a word. I think Hillary would have won anyways but I do think it's Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #34
I strongly disagree, sanders was treated with kid gloves and was treated very fairly Gothmog Feb 2020 #37
Absolutely not OBrien Feb 2020 #35
I know two people who claim it was rigged in advance of the election DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #36
BS's BS IADEMO2004 Feb 2020 #38
Russian bullshit. Count on it. apcalc Feb 2020 #39
No! pandr32 Feb 2020 #40
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #41
F. F. S. nt cry baby Feb 2020 #43
It's party politics, so I think the thumb is on the scale for the candidate favored by the leaders Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2020 #44
No about the superdelegates. betsuni Feb 2020 #48
Oh so we're doing this part now. Joy. redqueen Feb 2020 #45
Nobody rigged the primaries. Zolorp Feb 2020 #46
No Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #47
Seems to me this post is a shit stirrer. Why are you bringing this up? Dream Girl Feb 2020 #51
seems if you were worried about that, KICKING it to the top would be silly Baltimike Feb 2020 #63
Pfffft. F.U.D. C_U_L8R Feb 2020 #53
Nope. Can't be done. MineralMan Feb 2020 #54
I'm mystified at how a 79 year old heart attack victim, Submariner Feb 2020 #57
I think throwing unsupported allegations at the DNC "is Russian deza at work" too. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #58
I agree. Baltimike Feb 2020 #59
Whatever you say. Dream Girl Feb 2020 #64
No. krissey Feb 2020 #60
Rigged? No (from someone who supported Bernie in 2016) democrattotheend Feb 2020 #61
No. There was a slant, but "rigging"? Only in Sanders FAVOR, Hortensis Feb 2020 #62
Your concern is noted... ehrnst Feb 2020 #72
No. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #73
No CanonRay Feb 2020 #77
No. Some favortism and bias. Bradical79 Feb 2020 #79
i think this latest move was meant appease only Bloomberg. so that ain't right. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #80
I think DWS was fired for a reason. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #83
No Tweedy Feb 2020 #85
No rigging, but a lot of ignorance about how primaries work Retrograde Feb 2020 #87
Rigged is a strong word. Played favorites, absolutely Amishman Feb 2020 #90
No. n/t musicblind Feb 2020 #92
I gave my honest answer to a similar question in another thread and got alerted on for being totodeinhere Feb 2020 #95
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