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In reply to the discussion: WAPO: Is Bernie Sanders really happening? [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)106. I think that choosing venues near campuses guaranteed easy access for an energetic crowd
who largely had a flexible schedule, and didn't need to get off work and secure childcare.
So there's that.
The rally that counts is at the polls. If they don't show up there, all the singing and chanting and cheering in the world doesn't make up for it. If you have a solution for getting those young voters to the polls, please, please share.
Ask Nader. A campaign with young crowds does not a revolution a movement, or even a nominee necessarily make.
On Oct. 13, 2000, 15,000 zealous progressives packed Madison Square Garden for one of Ralph Naders super rallies. They paid $20 each for admission, evidence of their passion, since political rallies are almost always free. That year, many on the left were disappointed with the Democratic nominee for president. Al Gore was a wonky centrist and a stilted speaker who appeared to possess few core principles. For progressives, his association with Bill Clinton, icon of triangulation and political compromise, counted against him. At a time when the left was outraged over our corrupt campaign finance system, Gore was dogged by questions about money hed received from sketchy donors with ties to foreign governments.
At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote.
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote.
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/ralph-nader-and-the-tragedy-of-voter-as-consumer-politics.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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No, you didn't support your claim aboout why it would have been better and not worse
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#157
He will lose badly and give Trump four more years...that is pretty horrifying.
Demsrule86
Feb 2020
#20
He will beat Trump in the Mid West...so you are wrong...Sanders went too far left.
Demsrule86
Feb 2020
#63
i want someone normal but if sanders if the nom I will vote for him...ive got my passport.
samnsara
Feb 2020
#2
I think this is an accurate summary of what I've read in the past bit on DU.
Cuthbert Allgood
Feb 2020
#105
I think that choosing venues near campuses guaranteed easy access for an energetic crowd
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#106
Bernie akin to that bearded benefactor campaigning to proselytes from their Yuletide wish list.
Scurrilous
Feb 2020
#59
The lack of his Senate colleagues coming to his defense after she said that, or even endorsing him
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#17
When Carter was elected, he never got along with the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.
wyldwolf
Feb 2020
#31
I think that Democrats in the Senate would be able to overcome past interactions
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#104
I sure hope that voting for military actions against Iraq isn't a dealbreaker for you...
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#67
I can't see shit in this thread now, due to someone getting shown the door but +1.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2020
#107
when she was in the senate, of which this discussion is about... yes, she was.
wyldwolf
Feb 2020
#40
Universally liked and admired in the Senate. She has emotional intelligence, interpersonal skills
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#46
The short answer is no...he will hit a brick wall that is the South as will Buttigieg and
Demsrule86
Feb 2020
#18
"worlds better than Trump" YES. If it's Biden, if it's Bernie, if it's ???, ALL are "worlds better."
VOX
Feb 2020
#41
I look at nominating Bernie or Warren as going left starting with a strong bargaining position.
brewens
Feb 2020
#45
I have never taken sanders seriouslly because he is relying on a magic voter revolution
Gothmog
Feb 2020
#153
Well, that's the nature of discussion boards. Not all differences of opinions are
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#140
"Normalcy." As in the Obama administration, when we had the WH, Senate and Congress.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#111
They are giddy with the prospect of running against Bernie & his hip pouch of promises.
Scurrilous
Feb 2020
#126