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TexasTowelie

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111. But the odds are being made for each event being treated independently.
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 08:35 AM
Feb 2020

The odds on event A (receiving the nomination) at 39% for and 61% against. The odds for event B (winning the election) are 25% and 75% against winning.

Look at it from this perspective (and I haven't actually checked the odds for the GOP side):

Let's say that the odds are 95% for Trump to get the GOP nomination. Meanwhile, the odds of Trump winning the general election are at 50%. Does that mean that Trump has a [95/(95+50)] (66%) chance of winning? The answer would be no, because it contradicts the odds of Event B being 50%. And if we changed the odds of Trump winning the general election to 55%, then following your logic it would mean that Trump has a [95/(95+55)] (63%) chance of winning. This is another contradiction where even though there is an increase in the odds of winning (from 50% to 55%), he would end up with a lower chance of (from 66% to 63%) of winning.

The only dependency between Event A (the nomination) and Event B (winning the election) is that if event A isn't achieved, then Event B cannot occur (barring a third-party run).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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+1000. dware Feb 2020 #1
vote blue no matter who (that's for us) lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #15
I 100% agree, dware Feb 2020 #23
We all have our opinions don't we? EOM tiredtoo Feb 2020 #2
Sure do... here's mine: nominate BERNIE and retire the corporate socialist tRump!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #68
oh dear samnsara Feb 2020 #113
IS that projection based on some actual analysis? brooklynite Feb 2020 #126
Socialism is merely a label that means different things to different people vlyons Feb 2020 #187
In a race between a Socialist and a psychopath BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #3
Rick Wilson said MontanaMama Feb 2020 #8
Sad but true... damn it! nt. BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #9
And yesterday Steve Schmidt said radical noodle Feb 2020 #34
Nice! BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #38
Steve Schmidt the Republican? Fuck him, I have no fucks to give about any Republicans opinion. Autumn Feb 2020 #124
Of course you don't radical noodle Feb 2020 #132
No I wouldn't. Know why? Republicans hate Bernie and are against anything he wants to enact. Autumn Feb 2020 #138
Who exactly supported a third party candidate? radical noodle Feb 2020 #165
One of our Dem candidates has endorsed, donated and supported some Republicans over Democrats. Autumn Feb 2020 #169
I try to judge everything on an individual basis radical noodle Feb 2020 #170
As do I, and yes I know the circumstances of both. I'm sure you do also. Autumn Feb 2020 #171
Yup, and then the psychopath gets to appoint Supreme Court Justices. unitedwethrive Feb 2020 #43
Steve Schmidt is correct Gothmog Feb 2020 #96
+1 Historic NY Feb 2020 #157
No. It's much easier, and faster, to just yell "PUTIN" instead. ntn JoeOtterbein Feb 2020 #4
+1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #183
Yes. krissey Feb 2020 #5
No matter who gets nominated in the Democratic Party, they'll be branded a socialist anyway! TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #80
Republicans always try, you are right. It isn't bought. This will be fact, in name itself. krissey Feb 2020 #81
That's a false meme. Neither Biden, Pete or Klobuchar are socialist. Bernie is redstateblues Feb 2020 #82
Just wait until after the primary is over. Socialism will be one of the top 10 GOP terms. TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #84
Not Bloomberg, no one can say he is a socialist N/T I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #83
Does it really matter? They'll use the term, since Bloomberg wants to add progressive issues. TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #85
Republicans can - and will - say it. dchill Feb 2020 #105
But with some candidates it is more believable than it is with others I_M_Blue_2 Feb 2020 #161
We thought that last time, when we went with the centrist. Guess what we got? DanTex Feb 2020 #6
We got three million more votes than Trump. Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #11
And yet, Trump is president. That's the problem. DanTex Feb 2020 #21
Again, with Russian interference. dware Feb 2020 #27
Which will happen again. If we have a plan that only works in a world without DanTex Feb 2020 #30
BS will get hammered with or without Russian interference. dware Feb 2020 #32
It's not a fact, its an opinion. Kentonio Feb 2020 #100
Yes, people are entitled to their opinions... even if they are dead wrong!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #184
Oh, honey! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #13
I love that NurseJackie. dware Feb 2020 #18
It's true though. Trump really is president. DanTex Feb 2020 #25
I think you're getting confused about cause-and-effect... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #28
lol.. Cha Feb 2020 #88
Unfortunately, yes, the last time I checked, tRumpty Dumbty indeed was the PEE-resident. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #185
Wrong. dware Feb 2020 #14
You think there won't be Russian interference again? DanTex Feb 2020 #22
How does that change anything I just said? nt dware Feb 2020 #26
It doesn't change it, just makes it irrelevant. DanTex Feb 2020 #36
The difference is that if BS is our candidate, dware Feb 2020 #41
Well, that's arguable. DanTex Feb 2020 #48
You keep leaving out the fact that the Centrist did win, dware Feb 2020 #52
OK, but that's not the kind of win I'm interested in. DanTex Feb 2020 #56
Well then, that wouldn't mean BS as our candidate. dware Feb 2020 #57
Or maybe it would. DanTex Feb 2020 #58
But it did work the last time, but for Russian interference. dware Feb 2020 #63
But there will be Russian interference again this time. DanTex Feb 2020 #64
This country will not vote for a far left socialist for President, dware Feb 2020 #66
So why didn't the 'strategy" you propose win with Democrats who were doing the actual voting? ehrnst Feb 2020 #150
Your makin perfect sense Dan, as usual... this time tho will be different, with Bernie at the helm! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #182
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #24
And yet, Trump is president. DanTex Feb 2020 #33
In a race between a socialist and a psychopath BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #35
Why in heaven's name radical noodle Feb 2020 #39
It could. I'm just saying we already tried the path more traveled. DanTex Feb 2020 #46
We have to beat trump radical noodle Feb 2020 #51
Yes I agree with that for sure. DanTex Feb 2020 #53
We have that in common radical noodle Feb 2020 #65
because of russia! samnsara Feb 2020 #114
Exactly the danger, Will Robinson, history can and will repeat itself just as you warn lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #31
Clinton is not a centralist. She is just right of Sanders. Harris is more left than Sanders. krissey Feb 2020 #72
How dare you speak the truth?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #79
An excellent question but the responses to it, mostly all echo chamber... mojowork_n Feb 2020 #93
Bingo! Kentonio Feb 2020 #99
after we lose the house and senate worse there will no need for SOTU speeches nt msongs Feb 2020 #7
Don't forget, he was on the ballot as a COMMUNIST in 1980. Zolorp Feb 2020 #10
I haven't forgotten, and neither has the GOP... and they'll make sure everyone knows it. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #16
I only wish it had been brought out in 2016 Zolorp Feb 2020 #37
Sanders wasn't thoroughly vetted in 2016 PatSeg Feb 2020 #136
We can not afford political suicide. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #17
Jesus Christ! nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #60
I'm hearing the tune I've been singing tirebiter Feb 2020 #12
I agree HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #19
Voting Democrat Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #20
Exactly BernieBabies Feb 2020 #47
I agree, give tRumpy the Clown the candidate he fears most... Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #29
Winning combo either way. lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #45
Couldnt agree more, that wonderful combo would EASILY defeat that CORPORATE socialist tRump. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #131
If we're lucky it would only be four HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #40
I see no evidence that this is true. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #42
How we win is by having a nominee to support who can beat Trump scheming daemons Feb 2020 #44
And let us not forget his saying that the Iran hostages dware Feb 2020 #49
He's also said he will raise taxes on the middle class HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #50
Mondale comes to mind. Zolorp Feb 2020 #110
Nonsense Gore1FL Feb 2020 #55
There aren't enough registered Democrats BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #59
Bernie is exactly the person we need to bring back the disaffected working class vote Kentonio Feb 2020 #103
The evidence is common sense. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #62
Yeah. Sure. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #163
Predictit thinks Bernie would beat Trump Cicada Feb 2020 #54
As a math major and statistician TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #90
I majored in math too Cicada Feb 2020 #92
In that case, you should be aware of "independent events" in statistics. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #94
The events are not independent Cicada Feb 2020 #98
But the odds are being made for each event being treated independently. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #111
Example Cicada Feb 2020 #173
That is not the way that the people making the odds do it though. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #174
Bernie is on the ballot only 39 times out of 100. He wins 25 times. Cicada Feb 2020 #175
No, because Bernie is running to achieve one event which is to become president. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #178
He is on the ballot 39 times and wins 25 times Cicada Feb 2020 #179
No. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #181
I recall in 2008 how Obama would lose and we needed someone electable like Clinton. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #164
Bulletin colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #61
Gotta sell that. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #87
"Medicare is Socialism." How? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #162
Thanks for the Red Scare jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #67
I am not talking about a socialist getting elected..I am talking about one getting nominated scheming daemons Feb 2020 #70
Yeah, just like Trump had "no path to victory". jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #74
National Polls Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #76
Given the choice between a DEMOCRATIC Socialist like Bernie or a CORPORATE Socialist like tRumpy... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #186
Yeah Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #71
Excellent post. I concur. jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #75
Oh, I agree 100%. SergeStorms Feb 2020 #69
If the Democratic Party nominate a socialist, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Feb 2020 #73
I agree nt doc03 Feb 2020 #77
Right now I'm feeling like that will be the case regardless democrattotheend Feb 2020 #78
Toxically nearsighted. Jirel Feb 2020 #86
KR!!!!! Cha Feb 2020 #89
Agreed MFM008 Feb 2020 #91
trump would love to run against socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #95
Yup but the Sanders and Warren cheerleaders don't want to hear it.nt helpisontheway Feb 2020 #97
Warren is the smartest capitalist in this race. Why are blm Feb 2020 #118
Scare tactics are only the province of the right. LonePirate Feb 2020 #151
#VoteBlueNoMatterWho Mike Niendorff Feb 2020 #101
Independents will not vote blue no matter who texasfiddler Feb 2020 #102
I repeat: Mike Niendorff Feb 2020 #106
I could say, gab13by13 Feb 2020 #104
Trump is a result of 30 years of propaganda texasfiddler Feb 2020 #107
thank you!! well said. defeating trump* is the ONLY thing we need to concentrate on.. samnsara Feb 2020 #108
Good thing no Socialists are running Martin Eden Feb 2020 #109
A former Communist is running Zolorp Feb 2020 #112
Democrat now means not a Socialist Martin Eden Feb 2020 #116
He is still a former Communist Zolorp Feb 2020 #117
There are several reasons why I'm not voting for Sanders in this primary Martin Eden Feb 2020 #125
But one candidate proudly proclaimed he was Socialist for years. Zolorp Feb 2020 #128
OH NOES A COMMUNIST Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #120
Yes, a Communist Zolorp Feb 2020 #121
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #146
I take that as a personal insult for simply telling the truth Zolorp Feb 2020 #148
Yeah, this red-baiting sure is satisfying... in a nostalgic kind of way. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #147
It is not "red-baiting" it is 100% truth Zolorp Feb 2020 #149
So what were you up to in 1980? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #152
I was a 17 year old out campaigning for Carter and had just enlisted in the US Army. Zolorp Feb 2020 #153
Serious question: Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #155
ABSOLUTELY! Zolorp Feb 2020 #156
"Bernie Sanders: Workers should control the means of production" LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #119
Workers are not the government Martin Eden Feb 2020 #122
It doesn't matter. I know the difference, you know the difference, and it doesn't matter LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #123
I never said I thought that Martin Eden Feb 2020 #127
Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist. That makes it a Bernie Sanders talking point LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #129
He calls himself a Democratic Socialist Martin Eden Feb 2020 #134
So what? You think anyone cares about that distinction? LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #137
The election is about the next 8 years not just Trump Blues Heron Feb 2020 #115
Republican friend would vote for Biden mommymarine2003 Feb 2020 #130
Reality colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #133
Once they get Maduro out of Venezuela they can have the MSM... Anon-C Feb 2020 #135
trump would destroy a socialist candidate Gothmog Feb 2020 #139
Do you all remember? tiredtoo Feb 2020 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #141
You are doing no favors to the Democratic party. tiredtoo Feb 2020 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #143
As you are doing now. tiredtoo Feb 2020 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #145
If we nominate an uninspiring centrist... we will get 4 more years of what we saw last night. LonePirate Feb 2020 #154
A bot? lsewpershad Feb 2020 #158
That's how we won in 2016 IronLionZion Feb 2020 #159
Yet polls show Sanders beating Trump nationally and in the swing states... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #160
yes, the promises of having a government that actually does things for its citizens pales compared ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #166
Not "we will do nothing for you," but " I will not make promises I can not keep." emmaverybo Feb 2020 #180
uh huh. In other words "the rich won't agree to help people, therefore neither will I" ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #188
She is for a number of policies that will help people from free two year college to affordable emmaverybo Feb 2020 #190
thank you very much ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #191
We were told this last time, too. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #167
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2020 #168
A socialist will kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #172
It won't be "4 more years" of what we saw... Mike Nelson Feb 2020 #176
trump and others are using Socialist, and branding it as really really bad duforsure Feb 2020 #177
KICK Cha Feb 2020 #189
The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad attacking socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #192
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