Democratic Primaries

thesquanderer

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43. I think that any state that preferred HRC over Trump will also prefer BS over Trump.

Wed Feb 5, 2020, 01:58 PM

Feb 2020

Some may like Hillary more than Bernie, others may like Bernie more than Hillary, but none of them like Trump... and they even chose a candidate who was underwater in favorables, that's how much they didn't like Trump (i.e. to get as close as she did, she actually had to get many votes from people who didn't particularly like her). So I think all those states likewise go to Bernie. If anything, the demographics favor Bernie more this time, because 4 years later, we have a new influx of voters who were too young to be eligible go vote last time, and the youth vote heavily favors Sanders.

So to me, the big variable as to whether or not Bernie can beat Trump is whether he can sufficiently out-perform Hillary to be able to beat Trump in at least three of these states: Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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If we nominate a centrist...that's how we got Trump in the first place. [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

We got Trump primarily due to Comey, Russia, Stein, Sarandon, and Bernie. honest.abe Feb 2020 #1

Again, that's like arguing that I would win the marathon if there were no hills. DanTex Feb 2020 #2

You know you are pretty smart for being from Texas. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #30

Not everything that went against HRC would similarly be an issue for Biden. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #46

Exactly. The gaps in information and knowledge of the history of what actually happened R B Garr Feb 2020 #3

You think those things won't happen again? LOL. DanTex Feb 2020 #5

Yeah. All those things will happen. And none of it has anything to do Kahuna7 Feb 2020 #42

One other thing: Follow the Money Dorn Feb 2020 #10

That is a great exolanation. mainstreetonce Feb 2020 #8

I put Sanders way at the top of that list Zolorp Feb 2020 #23

I think you are forgetting all the other Democratic opponents Hillary had. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #31

none of then continued to trash Hillary and refused to go on the record supporting the nominee... Zolorp Feb 2020 #39

Sanders was about the least of her problems. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #44

And not all of that combined would have been enough to keep her from winning... Zolorp Feb 2020 #48

Sure, you can say if any ONE of those things were different, she might have won. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #49

I think most of the things you mentioned could have been different and she still would have lost. Zolorp Feb 2020 #51

James Comey's antics were more important than all other factors put together IMO. (eom) StevieM Feb 2020 #56

Worse Don1 Feb 2020 #4

If you think Bernie would have done better, I totally disagree. lark Feb 2020 #6

Again, all those things you mention are going to happen this year as well. DanTex Feb 2020 #7

Bernie would lose bigger than McGovern and for much of the same reasons. lark Feb 2020 #15

Yeah, and my filthy rich brother and sister are going to vote for Trump Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #35

Oh I so want to hug you, you have them too? ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #65

1972 was 48 years ago. 2016 was 4 years ago. DanTex Feb 2020 #38

I think that any state that preferred HRC over Trump will also prefer BS over Trump. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #43

Really Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #64

Yep Cosmocat Feb 2020 #9

Is that similar to Hillary really really wanting to run against DT? Dorn Feb 2020 #13

You should tell us. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #27

Trump has happened since 2016 aeromanKC Feb 2020 #11

100% agree. lark Feb 2020 #18

Agree here, too. If you want someone on the fence, give them an easy swallow. jmg257 Feb 2020 #21

Totally Agree texasfiddler Feb 2020 #52

I think people are confusing centrist with having some "common sense". TryLogic Feb 2020 #12

"brains, wisdom, courage, honesty, creativity, integrity" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #24

Yup. The Bernie Bros, Jill Stein, voter suppression, DOJ and Russian meddling had Atticus Feb 2020 #14

Thank you! lark Feb 2020 #17

There is one fact that destroys your argument before it even begins: Hillary won! beastie boy Feb 2020 #16

DanTex, voting 95-99% with Democrats does NOT make Sanders centrist. Hortensis Feb 2020 #19

Bloomberg isn't a conservative. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #20

"As a Democratic candidate for president, he makes an excellent Republican donor," Doremus Feb 2020 #55

I do not agree LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #22

Set aside Ukraine; Biden is far more appealing than Clinton brooklynite Feb 2020 #25

I don't know about that. DanTex Feb 2020 #32

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #26

Certainly that applies to the McGovern argument. Can you believe people actually think that a 1972 DanTex Feb 2020 #28

Who actually is a centrist though? BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #29

??? MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #47

Oh, honey! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #33

Well that makes sense if you erase all of history. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #34

+1000, it is consistently that way with this undecided. R B Garr Feb 2020 #50

There are reasons too long to list why we ended up with Trump randr Feb 2020 #36

Not again? OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #37

Bernie has a snowball's chance in hell to beat trump awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #40

That is NOT how he got in. You should know that by now. nt Kahuna7 Feb 2020 #41

Bullshit. Hillary is a proven progressive that has actually gotten shit done. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #45

So Bill Barr can't announce a major investigation against a liberal eleven days before the election? Midnight Writer Feb 2020 #53

Centrist Hillary centrist centrist Iraq NAFTA centrism conservative centrism status quo betsuni Feb 2020 #54

James Comey and his antics is how we got Trump in the first place. (eom) StevieM Feb 2020 #57

I keep reminding people that we have NEVER elected a progressive president since... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #58

Nope. Bernie would've lost by more electoral votes and wouldn't have won pop vote scheming daemons Feb 2020 #59

BS Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #60

Thats how we got Bush for two years booley Feb 2020 #61

Hillary Clinton is far from being a "centrist". George II Feb 2020 #62

Actually, we didn't nominate the candidate Russia and the GOP wanted. ehrnst Feb 2020 #63

What about the 3 million more votes she got? The 66 million voters who liked her best? Hekate Feb 2020 #66