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kennetha

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10. Red Meat Meet Political Reality!

Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:01 AM

Feb 2019

“Medicare for all” is certainly red meat for the we-want-it-all-and-we-want-it-NOW-wishing-it-were-so-will-make-it-so-cause-our-ideas-are-so-morally-awesome-and-who cares-what-“neoliberals”-think-anyway base. But it is a complete political loser in the real world. That’s because the current system, including the imperfect but much more easily improvable ACA, bakes in all kinds of stakeholders, that Medicare for All would completely upset. Sanders, in his typical demagogic fashion, completely ignores reality as morally irrelevant. And because Clinton saw no real need to ever challenge his ideas in detail last time around and thought that she would be in a position to revise and extend the ACA — which is much less of a political lift than tearing it all down and starting from scratch — Sanders’ empty, self-deluded and self-aggrandizing demagoguery got a pass and somehow managed to congeal into a litmus test of progressive purity. What a travesty!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Health Care and Insurance Industries Mobilize to Kill 'Medicare for All' [View all] Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 OP

No real surprise Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #1

And how many humans? Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #2

Of course..... Ohiogal Feb 2019 #3

The problem is a majority of the country gets insurance through their employer, and likes it Recursion Feb 2019 #6

Then let the employer pay for the MFA. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #17

I believe, but could be wrong Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #21

Just like now. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #23

somewhat Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #27

They love their employer insurance until they don't DBoon Feb 2019 #30

Yep. But they love it now Recursion Feb 2019 #34

has he ever gotten a bill for $14,000 DBoon Feb 2019 #15

It works for the insurance companies ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #24

Well adopting unpopular stances like Medicare for all replacing work place insurance will lead Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #29

I haven't seen the polling you have on MFA ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #35

No not if you ask about replacing workplace insurance which MFA does. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #36

I respectfully disagree ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #37

It won't take much. Just say a dem candidate farted wrong lancelyons Feb 2019 #4

not at all Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #5

Replacing private insurance with universal Medicare is incredibly unpopular Recursion Feb 2019 #7

That's why our candidate needs a proposal to help the people who "need" help MH1 Feb 2019 #13

The only people who it really helps are the 6% of the country on the individual market Recursion Feb 2019 #14

Well there's the 40,000 plus people who die every year due to lack of healthcare. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #18

Many of them have (and even like) their insurance Recursion Feb 2019 #22

The issue is the states who refuse to expand medicaid and who are those states who are Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #26

you don't get enrolled in medicare for all Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #20

This led to our defeat in 94 also. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #28

Ain't that the truth? Politicub Feb 2019 #32

Medicare for all is unpopular leftofcool Feb 2019 #8

Let the employer pay for the MFA Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #19

The AMA tried to stop Medicare, and neither the AMA nor the insurance industry is really c-rational Feb 2019 #9

Red Meat Meet Political Reality! kennetha Feb 2019 #10

Gosh, I'm going to have to disagree with you. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #33

People are so often self-centered and don't give a sh** about others as long as they have what RKP5637 Feb 2019 #11

Guerrilla strategy is required. MH1 Feb 2019 #12

My view is if we don't go after single payer, KPN Feb 2019 #16

This belongs in GD crazytown Feb 2019 #25

I think we need to revise the way we are looking at this. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #31

The American Criminal Enterprise Healthcare System MUST democratisphere Feb 2019 #38

Locking... DonViejo Feb 2019 #39