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Hortensis

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37. That LGBTQ could find themselves in hell instead is shockingly possible, though.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 04:38 AM
Feb 2020

The past 60 years have been one of intense reaction against the move to equality for all. Although most of the talk is about racist reaction, reactions against women's advances and rights for LGBTQ, especially gay marriage, are also huge. And right now, malignant forces working to take over and destroy our democracy have refined them into toxic fuel for a RW takeover.

That means LGBTQ are in a very dangerous spot right now. We don't know yet which of the giant forces battling for power is going to win, but they took a huge hit in 2016. And that could be nothing to what's coming if we were to, unthinkably, lose altogether.

I think we know a RW authoritarian government would be a lot more "unkind" toward LGBTQ than hard-core conservatives are able to be now. Perhaps extremely so. If a new government took the fascistic form a lot of Republican tactics are suggesting it would, it's probable LGBTQ would be among the groups actively and viciously persecuted to feed the fascistic base.

I once heard an expert in nations that fell to far-right regimes, asked what to look for, said to watch for "mean people." Meanness is now endemic in America, and we can't vote to overcome it if our vote no longer has power. (These days I wish I lived in a blue state! People would be much safer, if not safe, there.)

I'll be voting to protect and advance equality for everyone, as I always do, but that doesn't always mean running straight forward in politics any more than it does on a football field. On the plus side, even just an openly gay primary candidate is an advance.

"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America." Molly Ivins

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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My wife doesn't support Pete... [View all] brooklynite Feb 2020 OP
The question is how homophobic is America? still_one Feb 2020 #1
You wouldn't think it would matter, FoxNewsSucks Feb 2020 #8
It shouldn't matter still_one Feb 2020 #45
Well, the answer is "very" and that is true specifically amongst voter demos Dems must win RockRaven Feb 2020 #31
It's not just homophobia, of course. A lot of religious denominations, Hortensis Feb 2020 #33
This. BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #42
Pete isn't doing nearly as well nationally as he is in Iowa and NH. I don't think he can highplainsdem Feb 2020 #2
Momentum comes from incremental victories brooklynite Feb 2020 #4
pete's playing the david role well. almost has his first goliath today nt msongs Feb 2020 #3
Brook. What would you think of VP? California_Republic Feb 2020 #5
I DON'T think of VP... brooklynite Feb 2020 #7
That's funny-my wife says the same thing! redstateblues Feb 2020 #6
Pete transcends the little stuff. No shit. nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #9
He seriously neglected the AA community in South Bend. Suddenly he found religion with emmaverybo Feb 2020 #10
Where do you get the idea that he seriously neglected the AA community in South Bend? CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2020 #11
I would characterize him as ecstatic Feb 2020 #13
I suspect he just didn't see the problems. He's so smart that he thought they would work. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2020 #16
Yes. Tone-deaf. And he has years in which to develop his ear. I believe his decisions will continue emmaverybo Feb 2020 #21
He did not lobby over the course of years to recruit AA officers. He did not suggest anything amiss emmaverybo Feb 2020 #17
What does Biden provide that is attractive to African American vote that Pete doesn't? Sapient Donkey Feb 2020 #18
Experience with AA communities and relationship-building to facilitate trust. I think he was trying, emmaverybo Feb 2020 #22
Trust peggysue2 Feb 2020 #47
In 2008, a lot of people thought there would be too much resistance to a black candidate scheming daemons Feb 2020 #12
There was still a lot; we were helped by the republican selection of a cartoonishly unsuitable VP LongtimeAZDem Feb 2020 #50
I worried about Obama being black but then I got to the point where I didn't care anymore. phleshdef Feb 2020 #14
+1 BootinUp Feb 2020 #15
Thank You. Corgigal Feb 2020 #19
If it's any consolation to her, Iowa is normally criticized as being far too conservative. moriah Feb 2020 #20
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He won't win the nomination if he keeps mischaracterizing cannabis. moriah Feb 2020 #26
Iowa went blue in 2008 democrattotheend Feb 2020 #55
Okay, I must have read data wrong. Thank you... moriah Feb 2020 #56
On TV I see ads with same sex couples, I see ads with mixd race couples. Those comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #23
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Yeah, because America would much more likely vote for a misogynistic, racist, lying, cheating Crook Pachamama Feb 2020 #27
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Who is "he"? Pachamama Feb 2020 #32
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So your friend worries about the "effect" on his children from a gay couple in the White House? Pachamama Feb 2020 #35
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What is your belief? Pachamama Feb 2020 #38
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????? Pachamama Feb 2020 #48
They can all go to hell William769 Feb 2020 #28
A good candidate smashes stereotypes and prejudices. denem Feb 2020 #29
I will say that if anyone could transcend our nation's prejudices, it would be Buttigieg n/t hlthe2b Feb 2020 #40
That LGBTQ could find themselves in hell instead is shockingly possible, though. Hortensis Feb 2020 #37
I'd like to think it would not be an issue. The reality, I'm afraid will be different. hlthe2b Feb 2020 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Feb 2020 #41
Consider that the AA civil rights battle was won in the 1960s... brooklynite Feb 2020 #52
I'm not sure i'd count either of these struggles as "won." OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #53
I agree with your wife. Alliepoo Feb 2020 #43
"Elect a black guy with the middle name 'Hussein'? WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!" bullwinkle428 Feb 2020 #46
Ironically, we've regressed as a society since then... n/t hlthe2b Feb 2020 #51
Agree. Especially with older African Americans flamingdem Feb 2020 #49
It's a concern I have as well democrattotheend Feb 2020 #54
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