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Blue_true

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143. Trump has a very hard core of 25% of voters who won't leave him.

Fri Feb 7, 2020, 12:11 AM

Feb 2020

Our side has 52-53%, only if we produce a rational candidate that can back up promises with a plan. I can promise you one thing, if we nominate Sanders in his present form, we are going to spend the next 6 years trying to piece our party back together.

The same people that see Bernie doing great in a General, also thought that Corbyn was going to stomp Johnson in Britain. I am simply afraid that they bite on images of an ideal state instead of recognizing the cold hard reality that no country in the world has that. I can't believe that the other candidates let Sanders get away with claiming that what he is proposing for healthcare is like Canada and Scandinavia, few things are farther from being true, their system is closer to an ACA with higher taxes imposed on citizens, for the exchange that they don't have to worry about medical expenses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Clinton doubles down on Sanders criticism, warns that he's promising 'the moon' [View all] Gothmog Feb 2020 OP

Why didn't she just run again? polichick Feb 2020 #1

She can only express her opinion and if she's a candidate? StarfishSaver Feb 2020 #17

This way, she could do more harm than good - better to run. polichick Feb 2020 #21

How is telling the truth doing harm Gothmog Feb 2020 #87

We can have a military larger than the next 7 countries combined Rural_Progressive Feb 2020 #117

OK... ehrnst Feb 2020 #125

So no one who has run before can say anything about the candidates.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #115

No. Just Hillary StarfishSaver Feb 2020 #180

My special rule for Hillary: When she speaks, I pay attention. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #191

+++ still_one Feb 2020 #52

She should endorse someone. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #57

"attack dog?" So you think that she should be on someone's campaign staff? ehrnst Feb 2020 #116

Getting a lawyer to not comment on something is hard Gothmog Feb 2020 #90

Obama's a lawyer too. BlueWI Feb 2020 #134

I still would love to see Joe Biden appoint President Obama to SCOTUS Gothmog Feb 2020 #163

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Waiting pretty long. polichick Feb 2020 #34

Ya but it's not too late. Hillary's ally Bloomberg entered late & isn't competing til Super Tuesday. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #41

Or too much transparency! ehrnst Feb 2020 #67

It's too late to get on the ballot in most states. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #84

But InAbLuEsTaTe is sure that the DNC would "make exceptions" for HRC... ehrnst Feb 2020 #107

Yes, because we know that the DNC has rigged all of the primaries. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #123

Wink. Wink. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #135

Kind of a strange thing to say - "Hillary's ally Bloomberg". Biden isn't collapsing anywhere.... George II Feb 2020 #140

re: "Biden isn't collapsing anywhere ... if anything Sanders is losing steam." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #182

And don't forget Bernie's epic fail to suRge and take the blue ribbon IA was spectacular. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #174

You missed this part, silly.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #65

It was "missed" intentionally TwilightZone Feb 2020 #104

gEt oUt Of HeRe!!! ehrnst Feb 2020 #105

... TwilightZone Feb 2020 #106

I apply that same query to anyone commenting on candidates. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #173

HRC's influence makes this false equivalency absurd. polichick Feb 2020 #179

I don't think Hillary gets that her speaking like this really helps Bernie. jalan48 Feb 2020 #2

Really? Gothmog Feb 2020 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #100

Her "conversation" about him in Jan really helped his fundraising. I believe February will be just Autumn Feb 2020 #13

Exactly. He has a strong base of support and these kinds of attacks just help him. jalan48 Feb 2020 #28

His fundraising did not... pfeiffer Feb 2020 #30

Doesn't matter his turnout did just fine and so is his fundraising. There were TWO running last time Autumn Feb 2020 #40

Yeah, that doesn't bode well. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #114

Yes, the Baseless Bernie Bashing Backlash is fueling Bernie's surge in the polls, soooo... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #76

OLIVER!! ehrnst Feb 2020 #82

I share Hillary's concerns about sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #167

. George II Feb 2020 #181

Shhhhhhhh!! Please don't discourage Hillary from continuing to speaking out!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #35

... jalan48 Feb 2020 #38

oH, i GeT iT!!!! ehrnst Feb 2020 #112

I disagree. Many people respect her, why should she not let people know she has a strong opinion? unitedwethrive Feb 2020 #60

Damn straight. And she's not going away. ehrnst Feb 2020 #81

LOL Scurrilous Feb 2020 #62

Dayum. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #147

Thanks sheshe2. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #148

Is that her job now? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #80

I have always admired Hillary, but this is a time when I wish she would be quiet Perseus Feb 2020 #83

So, you're saying that if she isn't "pushing" Bernie, she should just shut up. ehrnst Feb 2020 #109

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CNN- Sanders' agenda: Its cost- possibly $60 trillion- would set a peacetime US record Gothmog Feb 2020 #5

But that next tax break? No problem! nt Doremus Feb 2020 #9

The tax break didn't get a single vote from Democrats. Blame the GOP for that. Not us. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #71

Those were GOP tax cuts with no votes from any Demcorats Gothmog Feb 2020 #94

I know. We get that thrown in our face a lot. Every Dem. and 13 GOP voted no. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #111

There's a lot more to negotiating than tucking tail and hand wringing Doremus Feb 2020 #126

Huh? Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #74

Repealing Trump's tax cuts will be easier than doing anything to the military budget. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #92

Agree Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #108

I hate when dems carry repuke water Doremus Feb 2020 #122

10 years out of 52 Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #142

That's why he doesn't want to explicitly state how much his proposals will cost. George II Feb 2020 #36

Are you sure that he even know how much it will cost? Blue_true Feb 2020 #50

About a week ago he admitted on CBS that he doesn't know, and added "nobody knows"..... George II Feb 2020 #51

Stuff like that scares me. It is like getting on a roller coaster blindfolded without checking Blue_true Feb 2020 #53

How does he get away with that? mcar Feb 2020 #68

My favorite is when he said, "I don't have the plan in my pocket right now" when asked about details betsuni Feb 2020 #75

he does not know, nor does he care Skittles Feb 2020 #99

Sort of like in Britain. Blue_true Feb 2020 #127

I cannot believe this is what it has come to Skittles Feb 2020 #132

Trump has a very hard core of 25% of voters who won't leave him. Blue_true Feb 2020 #143

I have never understood Bernie's appeal Skittles Feb 2020 #153

Same here Gothmog Feb 2020 #164

when he first came in the spotlight Skittles Feb 2020 #190

I will go there. He appeals to people that think that life is screwing them over somehow. Blue_true Feb 2020 #194

I think at this point outside the very rich, everyone feels screwed somehow Skittles Feb 2020 #195

There is no way for sanders to get his platform adopted without a magical voter revolution Gothmog Feb 2020 #101

You are a realist. Blue_true Feb 2020 #145

I simply do not understand the concept of voter revolution Gothmog Feb 2020 #154

Sanders, like Trump in 2016, is making vague promises of better days. We have seen Blue_true Feb 2020 #155

How is wagging his finger at Mitch going to work in the real world? Gothmog Feb 2020 #157

He actually things wagging his finger will move Moscow Mitch? greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #170

I am also amused Gothmog Feb 2020 #171

Yes elleng Feb 2020 #7

++++ This, 1000% Doremus Feb 2020 #11

I've noticed and I'm sure others have that there's NEVER a problem with tax breaks for the wealthy. Autumn Feb 2020 #20

Sanders legislative agenda would have no way of being passed even if elected. Here's why: Gothmog Feb 2020 #25

Yup! President Sanders will reverse those tax breaks & problem solved! His entire agenda's paid for! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #79

Not in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #97

How's he gonna pay for it? Butterflylady Feb 2020 #23

sanders has no meaningful legilslative accomplishments in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #26

I would reverse Reaganomics to pay for it, if it were me. nt Gore1FL Feb 2020 #58

See post #51, that "moon". Promising, but admitting he doesn't know how he'll pay for it. George II Feb 2020 #78

Mahalo, Hillary Cha Feb 2020 #4

HRC is right...there is going to be a lot of very disgruntled people when the truth comes out Thekaspervote Feb 2020 #8

Hillary's not playing. Cha Feb 2020 #22

She's also not running for President. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #27

Actually we are aware of this. Cha Feb 2020 #43

Hillary Clinton Will Become John McCain to Bernie's Trump TomCADem Feb 2020 #124

Hillary will go down in History for Cha Feb 2020 #129

I agree Cha Gothmog Feb 2020 #165

.. Cha Feb 2020 #198

. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #12

We don't need to see this from her elleng Feb 2020 #6

How does sanders magical voter revolution work in the real world? Gothmog Feb 2020 #14

I agree. Raven123 Feb 2020 #70

You're right. Targeting Sanders instead of trump. JudyM Feb 2020 #189

It's a tough critique but free of the personal attacks she engaged in previously. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #15

Folks don't want to listen to the warning...they just want what they want. I find it almost UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #16

Right there with you. OneMoreCupOfCoffee Feb 2020 #24

I am depressed. I believe two of the weakest candidates have suddenly been catapulted into emmaverybo Feb 2020 #45

I'm not a supporter of Biden but I don't want his campaign to tank. BlueWI Feb 2020 #150

Agree the ground game comes down to him. Other points you made make sense. Still, according emmaverybo Feb 2020 #151

Definitely Biden is still the favorite. BlueWI Feb 2020 #158

Appreciate your sharing your thinking! I learn. But one thing, Buttigieg brought on the major emmaverybo Feb 2020 #159

I hear you. BlueWI Feb 2020 #199

I don't get why at this stage he feels he should shoot to the top. You pretty much sum up my emmaverybo Feb 2020 #200

It is selfish. betsuni Feb 2020 #46

Isn't honest disagreement possible? BlueWI Feb 2020 #152

Can't say I disagree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #18

"I have a pretty clear perspective about what it's going to take to win" jmg257 Feb 2020 #19

HA! polichick Feb 2020 #39

"Better late than never." David__77 Feb 2020 #54

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Because she wants an alternative to Sanders Pompoy Feb 2020 #44

She is helping him win by galvanizing his supporters helping him look like an outsider. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #31

nonsense Skittles Feb 2020 #86

Hillary sure is!! Thank you Hillary!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #91

Yup, I believe that's what she's doing to. OliverQ Feb 2020 #139

GO HILLARY!!!!! Zolorp Feb 2020 #33

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #37

wtf? gristy Feb 2020 #42

Hopefully she doesn't publicly endorse Joe madville Feb 2020 #61

Should she go home and knit? mcar Feb 2020 #72

No knitting, just baking cookies. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #103

I am too mcar Feb 2020 #128

+1 MustLoveBeagles Feb 2020 #137

BFD So tired of this bs apcalc Feb 2020 #47

I am tired of BS too Skittles Feb 2020 #89

Her problem was she didn't promise anything TheFarseer Feb 2020 #48

I don't mind a salesman Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #131

It all depends on how the narrative develops TheFarseer Feb 2020 #183

I don't like either side of the MFA cost discussion Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #184

I agree that we can TheFarseer Feb 2020 #192

Didn't quite say negligible Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #196

"...if you promise the moon and you can't deliver the moon.." Scurrilous Feb 2020 #49

Thanks for the link! betsuni Feb 2020 #55

You're welcome. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #66

"I have a pretty clear perspective about what it's going to take to win" - obviously not. jg10003 Feb 2020 #56

Wtf is a " near tie"? More or less than a " virtual tie". She is right of course. robbedvoter Feb 2020 #59

Thank you Madam Secretary... I feel the same way. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #63

Kick mcar Feb 2020 #64

Many Sanders supporters say how disillusioned they were with President Obama. betsuni Feb 2020 #69

Oh come on, get over it, its been 4 years & I would love the moon. nt yaesu Feb 2020 #73

This infighting may cost us the election tiredtoo Feb 2020 #77

there are only a few idiots who will sit out the election because their bestie did not win the nod Skittles Feb 2020 #96

Not sure if that was my concern tiredtoo Feb 2020 #98

LOL Skittles Feb 2020 #102

Nothing wrong with shooting for the moon. warmfeet Feb 2020 #85

She should run, I would love to vote for her again Az_lefty Feb 2020 #88

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she did not lose Skittles Feb 2020 #95

True, but I didn't see her giving the SOTU last night. Marty Marzipan Feb 2020 #110

BS did not, and will not, either Skittles Feb 2020 #119

And, we all know why. Cha Feb 2020 #156

She lost. Kentonio Feb 2020 #160

only with help from Russia Skittles Feb 2020 #161

Well, we'll find out in November. Kentonio Feb 2020 #162

Bernie will do the same as president that he is doing as a candidate. 58Sunliner Feb 2020 #113

+1 betsuni Feb 2020 #121

I'm ok with Clinton speaking out against Sen. Sanders Devil Child Feb 2020 #118

She's right. calimary Feb 2020 #120

More concern trollery from Clinton. peequod Feb 2020 #130

I think it's instructive. David__77 Feb 2020 #146

The numbers have NEVER added up to anything doable. democratisphere Feb 2020 #133

I'm retired now, but I was an accountan. I worked forseveral very profitable companies, and one napi21 Feb 2020 #136

Anyone feel like Hillary is intentionally doing this to boost Sanders? OliverQ Feb 2020 #138

No-Clinton is worried about the damage sanders is doing to the party Gothmog Feb 2020 #166

"the moon" ?? All this time I was hoping it was "pie-in-the-sky". oasis Feb 2020 #141

That's not the spirit that got humans to the moon, incidentally. David__77 Feb 2020 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Feb 2020 #149

She has a point, as much as i like Bernie and his agenda Mr. Sparkle Feb 2020 #168

. Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #169

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Here is more of Hillary's interview Gothmog Feb 2020 #175

if he gets elected he will have to operate within the system. no need to worry about these things Kurt V. Feb 2020 #176

Which means that none of his proposals will be adopted in the real world Gothmog Feb 2020 #177

some would but certainly not all or even most. but a big part of being POTUS is steering things in Kurt V. Feb 2020 #178

I really doubt that sanders would get support from the Democratic caucus on many of his proposals Gothmog Feb 2020 #186

Someone needs to make it clear to her ibegurpard Feb 2020 #185

This is a great interview with Ellen Gothmog Feb 2020 #187

Thanks! betsuni Feb 2020 #193

OK Karen... backscatter712 Feb 2020 #188

OK Becky... ehrnst Feb 2020 #203

Thank you, Hillary Clinton!!!! Skid Rogue Feb 2020 #197

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Steve Bannon: Bernie people have helped to elect Trump and they'll do it again. Gothmog Feb 2020 #202