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scheming daemons

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13. I don't believe Jill Stein's goal was to "beat Trump". I believe it was to HELP Trump.

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Feb 2020

So I question the motives of people who worked for her in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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I cannot vote for Bernie Sanders in the primaries because anyone who hires people in his campaign [View all] still_one Feb 2020 OP

I would rather not, but if he is our nominee, I will vote blue. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #1

When I see what kind of staff he hires, PatSeg Feb 2020 #26

I agree, but my dog would make a better president than 45. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #31

Amen, vote Blue, NO MATTER WHO!!! secondwind Feb 2020 #40

Center/Left Country DownriverDem Feb 2020 #81

IMHO, That phrase should never be uttered. It gives agency to disrupters. fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #178

I feel the same way PatSeg Feb 2020 #41

This Sanders Supporter Votes Blue No Matter Who McKim Feb 2020 #108

Why do you show Warren as your preference? redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #165

I really can't see any candidate that can't win the primary, going on to win in the general, so... AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #109

Oh I do PatSeg Feb 2020 #122

Warren is my first choice, Buttigieg my second. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #127

Actually PatSeg Feb 2020 #139

Bernie Cannot win Fingetti Feb 2020 #157

What if he's not the Democratic nominee? marble falls Feb 2020 #162

Plus-- has he ever won a tough race? nt eilen Feb 2020 #164

I pray Bernie WILL be our nominee... Bernie's this country's only hope!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #153

only it will be ref revolution AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #176

I agree with that 1000 percent. It's a huge worry. LisaM Feb 2020 #101

Excellent assessment PatSeg Feb 2020 #107

You mean like Tim Geithner or Alan Simpson? nt. druidity33 Feb 2020 #180

Obama appointed a lot of people PatSeg Feb 2020 #182

I agree, I am talking about the primaries only still_one Feb 2020 #44

See, there's a huge difference between voting and Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #83

I'm pretty sure that, if he were to win eilen Feb 2020 #163

i can't ever vote for him. trueblue2007 Feb 2020 #186

Hiring those divisive, nasty people is a foretaste The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #2

Bernie doesn't vet. It'll be a repeat of the Trump octoberlib Feb 2020 #3

That's what worries me. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #6

Exactly. Cha Feb 2020 #161

That's fine. Lots of candidates I won't vote for Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #4

same here KayF Feb 2020 #15

Also, I was ONLY referring to the primaries, NOT the GE, where I will vote for whoever the still_one Feb 2020 #45

Of course. Cha Feb 2020 #184

I agree still_one Feb 2020 #90

It seems eerie but Sanders at times reminds me of Trump katmondoo Feb 2020 #5

Trump has his thumb on the republicans Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #8

Not having his (temporary) party's support The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #16

They won't Watchfoxheadexplodes Feb 2020 #18

Did I miss a step where Sanders voted for Stein? ramen Feb 2020 #88

Suit yourself. Sanders campaigned for Clinton only grudgingly, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #117

Amen to that VO DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #120

That is Soooo wrong. Bernie went to around 40 rallies for Clinton--what the heck are you talking Jim_S Feb 2020 #141

Bernie went to @ 40 rallies for Clinton--she only went to @12 when she lost to Obama. Jim_S Feb 2020 #137

He was also selling his book. eilen Feb 2020 #166

When you say that he campaigned for her grudgingly, ramen Feb 2020 #143

Same here!! secondwind Feb 2020 #42

In the sense that he seems to inspire almost cultic worship in his supporters, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #10

I actually think there is some truth to this. And of course this does not apply to all madibella Feb 2020 #29

Me too, he has some cult followers for sure and he is so angry. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #34

Cult like following too Dream Girl Feb 2020 #72

In what way? ramen Feb 2020 #84

That's one of the reasons I prefer Warren. That said... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #7

Perhaps, but there are only two in that cateogory for me, Bernie and Gabbard still_one Feb 2020 #87

are people not allowed to vote their conscious? LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #9

Voting for Stein was a effectively voting for Trump. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #21

I cant argue what is in peoples minds LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #35

I don't disagree with you. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #60

That sounds like a sensible plan SilasSouleII Feb 2020 #100

Aside from the obvious pitfalls of throwing the election to Trump LisaM Feb 2020 #110

I have to ask. It was my friend's wife LeftTurn3623 Feb 2020 #159

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I don't believe Jill Stein's goal was to "beat Trump". I believe it was to HELP Trump. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #13

She and Sanders were indeed promoted by Russia. ehrnst Feb 2020 #24

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I want to beat Trump scheming daemons Feb 2020 #30

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I will vote straight Dem, no matter what. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #56

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The candidate we democrats chose in 2016 got more votes than anyone not named Obama. ehrnst Feb 2020 #119

I believe this. SilasSouleII Feb 2020 #102

Stein voters wouldn't have voted for Stein if they wanted to beat Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #17

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They seem willing to support a Democratic nominee only if The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #33

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Stein voters don't want to beat Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #47

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How are you going to persuade people who think they have to destroy the system The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #58

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #79

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He sure doesn't speak to me. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #118

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Then why doesn't the Sanders campaign seem to "welcome" what he characterizes as centrist Democrats? still_one Feb 2020 #97

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How about this voter? ehrnst Feb 2020 #99

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And, if stein hadn't Lied about Hillary and trump.. stein Cha Feb 2020 #177

What specifically do you mean when you say "welcome with open arms?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #23

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So... the Mueller report findings are "divisive" and should not be discussed in 2020... ehrnst Feb 2020 #80

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You stated, falsely that the report didn't say that Russia supported Sanders... ehrnst Feb 2020 #135

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That works both ways. His campaign sure doesn't seem to welcome what they characterize as "centrist still_one Feb 2020 #95

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This is about the primary. Criticisms of a candidate during the primary is not an attack. Today still_one Feb 2020 #136

I agree to a point democrattotheend Feb 2020 #131

His answer in town hall last night about VP choice was cryptic, but revealing scheming daemons Feb 2020 #12

I hope he's smarter than that. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #20

I'm guessing it would be an academic type. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #25

He would absolutely pick "Tulsi" as a running mate njhoneybadger Feb 2020 #32

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Bernie has shown a pattern of going against the Democratic Party to gain a perceived njhoneybadger Feb 2020 #68

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If he does that we need to prepare for 4 more years of Trump. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #36

Geez, I would have problems believing he is that self-destructive still_one Feb 2020 #49

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I would hope so. There is no place for a Tulsi Gabbard in any Dem administration.... scheming daemons Feb 2020 #62

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You say that with the supposition that Bernie will remain a eilen Feb 2020 #167

What a cluster f' Rider3 Feb 2020 #14

One state has voted squirecam Feb 2020 #48

Wouldn't happen. Too many candidates in the race. After Super Tuesday, that will be cleared up still_one Feb 2020 #50

all candidates pick the ppl they think gives them the best chance to win. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #19

Absolutely still_one Feb 2020 #51

Guaranteed to lose to turm RogerM Feb 2020 #22

Another divisive thread Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #38

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Well, there is this... ehrnst Feb 2020 #67

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Just stating the facts. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #71

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Really stung, did it? ehrnst Feb 2020 #85

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Well, you clearly missed all the discussion on that. On this very thread. ehrnst Feb 2020 #152

And this? ehrnst Feb 2020 #116

Are you equating divisive with being critical of a candidate or campaign? still_one Feb 2020 #98

Yes, I don't know what good it can do us. Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #124

The answer to that is simple. That is what the primary process is about Sucha. In the general still_one Feb 2020 #128

My approach must be different. I want to decide which one is best Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #133

IMHO, I think judgement is a part of deciding who is best. Everyone has their own criteria still_one Feb 2020 #138

I knew from day one that he was off my primary list for that very reason. defacto7 Feb 2020 #39

I cannot vote for Sanders in the primary because of his policies. redqueen Feb 2020 #52

His campaign staff is filled with Jill Stein voters/supporters AND he's a Socialist. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #53

sanders has shwon some very poor judgement in his staffing decisions Gothmog Feb 2020 #54

That is my concern also. His NY Daily News interview a while back, added more questions still_one Feb 2020 #61

That interview was a pure train wreck Gothmog Feb 2020 #86

I agree with your concerns and I would add Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #59

Cheney had already had several by the time he was elected Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #65

that's really stretching for it azureblue Feb 2020 #73

Are You Sating He's Not Responsible For The People In His Campaign? Me. Feb 2020 #76

Validating that vocal support for Stein in 2016 was okay, is NOT okay. nt MH1 Feb 2020 #77

Excuse me. Are you saying he wasn't involved in hiring Brianhina Joy Gray, David Sirota, or Nina still_one Feb 2020 #89

Oh please...he is responsible for hires...period...the buck stops with him. Stein voters and toilet Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #93

That is what the primaries are about, lets everyone choose who they feel is best to meet their needs yaesu Feb 2020 #74

The thought alone is giving me anxiety. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #78

That is a VERY good point. calimary Feb 2020 #82

Of course. Voting blue regardless for 2020 still_one Feb 2020 #96

Yep. Vote Blue No Matter Who. calimary Feb 2020 #183

but but ...Jane said that is only important that you vote not who you vote for...I think she said Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #91

bots? ctyankeedude Feb 2020 #92

KnR! R B Garr Feb 2020 #94

You can tell a lot about people by the company they keep Botany Feb 2020 #103

I lived through McGovern and Mondale. murielm99 Feb 2020 #104

I think that it shows what his judgement would be like when picking cabinet heads ehrnst Feb 2020 #105

+++ still_one Feb 2020 #106

TRUMP'S JUDGEMENT IS WORSE! blakstoneranger Feb 2020 #111

You do realize I am referring to the primaries, NOT the general election still_one Feb 2020 #125

Trump thanks you for your support... masmdu Feb 2020 #113

As odious that is there are much more important reasons to not vote for him grantcart Feb 2020 #115

Not a fan of his, but I have good Democratic friends who are. lark Feb 2020 #123

Lordy. Of all the reasons... Jirel Feb 2020 #129

I agree democrattotheend Feb 2020 #130

No candidate is perfect. I like Bernie's policies and consistency. pampango Feb 2020 #144

Yes, he is consistently for policies that have 0% of ever being enacted in our lifetimes scheming daemons Feb 2020 #145

Sorry you feel that way. FDR had grand ideas that were pie-in-the-sky too. pampango Feb 2020 #146

Differences now scheming daemons Feb 2020 #149

Save our 'grand ideas' for the next economic collapse? pampango Feb 2020 #158

the point is that your "grand ideas" won't *SELL* in an election absent economic panic scheming daemons Feb 2020 #160

That's the sort of negativity that will get us nowhere. If we can elect Bernie totodeinhere Feb 2020 #168

Background checks have 90% public support. And can't get through the Senate. scheming daemons Feb 2020 #171

I guess we will just have to respectfully disagree. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #172

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... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #148

Point of fact.. Cha Feb 2020 #156

I will not vote for Bernie in the NY primary. Progressive dog Feb 2020 #154

What if by the time the NY primary rolls around it is apparent that Bernie has the totodeinhere Feb 2020 #169

I will not vote for Bernie Sanders in the NY primary Progressive dog Feb 2020 #173

Mahalo for speaking for so Cha Feb 2020 #155

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Given we're dealing with Trump... Skid Rogue Feb 2020 #174

K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #175

Who he hires, and who he proudly puts out as his endorsements tells us something. krissey Feb 2020 #179

Is it fair to say you weren't going to vote for Bernie anyway? Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #181

I worry that sanders will be blown out by trump Gothmog Feb 2020 #185

I don't think it will be as bad as what happened to McGovern, but it will be bad still_one Feb 2020 #187

I fear that sanders will be as bad as McGovern Gothmog Feb 2020 #188

Demographics are a lot different than back in the 70's, however, Nixon's Southern strategy is still still_one Feb 2020 #189

This makes me smile Gothmog Mar 2020 #190