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The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,140 posts) Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:47 AM Feb 2020

Michael Moore just said FDR was a democratic socialist. [View all]

No, Michael, he wasn't. FDR was a capitalist. Most historians think he saved capitalism by regulating it, and he was hated as much by the left - for that reason - as he was by the right.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Michael Moore just said FDR was a democratic socialist. [View all] The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 OP

I'll take a Rob Riener over a Michael Moore any day of the damn week. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #1

Moore is starting to sound kind of deranged. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #2

He has become completely intolerable. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #4

If Sanders became the nominee, MM would insure another four years of trump still_one Feb 2020 #9

K&R onetexan Feb 2020 #66

I almost fell over when he went into a sermon HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #7

So the problem is this. Blue_true Feb 2020 #114

Did anyone give any pushback or was Cha Feb 2020 #14

He was on with Chris Hayes radical noodle Feb 2020 #16

Oh right. Cha Feb 2020 #32

To his credit, and my surprise, Chris Hayes tishaLA Feb 2020 #54

Thanks, tisha.. more Meaningless michael moore .. Cha Feb 2020 #56

Hi Cha...didn't see it but I have been so disgusted with the media that I really haven't watched Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #77

I haven't watched the "media" in 18 years.. Cha Feb 2020 #110

Yep, I used to watch MSNBC but honestly they have been awful this cycle...now they are on the Dems Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #112

Yeah, there's something not quite right PatSeg Feb 2020 #44

+++ still_one Feb 2020 #6

I would too any day of the week. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #76

Moore is such a gas bag. What a silly comment. brush Feb 2020 #3

I turn the tv off or change channels when he is on Gothmog Feb 2020 #108

MM said this, too.. "Moore Slams Obama: HIstory Will Only Remember You Were a Black President" Cha Feb 2020 #5

Drunk History. Again. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #8

Yep and of course the m$$$$m is only too Cha Feb 2020 #13

I guess getting healthcare was not a 'BFD' ...first president to ever manage it except for Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #79

This is what I mean about MMoore.. he just throws out Cha Feb 2020 #111

I can't stand Michael Moore and think he is an opportunist and is just promoting himself. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #116

Wrong. . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #10

I completely agree. Moore trying to rewrite history here. n/t Still Sensible Feb 2020 #11

FDR's enemies called him a socialist. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #12

Moore is trying to stay relevant by saying controversisl things onetexan Feb 2020 #67

Yep. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #70

Yep, like the Ann Coulter of the left. brush Feb 2020 #87

By today's standards BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #15

+1 radical noodle Feb 2020 #17

See my tag line. patricia92243 Feb 2020 #36

Yes, comparatively FDR was a "billionaire" to the average worker back then but Moore didn't go... brush Feb 2020 #40

The Social Democracies of Scandinavia are all capitalist systems Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #18

Thank you. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #20

Let's add this,FDR was a East Coast Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #23

True. n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #29

BS Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #35

I know the textbook definitions are NOT what Sanders and Moore use Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #90

No they don't Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #99

Are you suggesting they are Marxists in disguise? Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #106

No Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #120

Please explain the difference between the New Deal and the programs of Social Democracies Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #125

Social democracies are not socialist Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #127

Who's peddling BS? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #129

Not talking about Warren Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #133

no it definitely was not, it was social democracy, FDR went out of his way to say no to socialism Celerity Feb 2020 #50

Thank You for proving my point Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #92

FDR was a capitalist...who was trying to save the Republic and millions from starvation... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #115

You do realize Democratic Socialist countries are also Capitalist? Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #19

lol, we here in the Nordics (I live in Sweden atm) are NOT socialist, democratic or otherwise Celerity Feb 2020 #26

Regardless of the labeling Sanders has said he wants to mimic the Nordic system Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #41

no, most just hear socialism Celerity Feb 2020 #45

I think those 1950's era slams (socialism BAD!) are fading away Blues Heron Feb 2020 #80

Regardless of the framing or not, it is simply factually inaccurate to conflate social democracies Celerity Feb 2020 #91

I disagree, most people know that a little socialism is a good thing Blues Heron Feb 2020 #95

all I can say is wait until you see 1 billion USD in 'COMMMMIE!!!!' red baiting dropped on Bernie Celerity Feb 2020 #96

Bring it Blues Heron Feb 2020 #98

that is a path to electoral suicide nt Celerity Feb 2020 #100

No, it's not. Blues Heron Feb 2020 #102

and I think you are wrong, but we shall never find out because Sanders will not get the nomination Celerity Feb 2020 #104

This is correct. DanTex Feb 2020 #46

THIS!! SPOT ON!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #48

"conflating social democracy with democratic socialism" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #74

Well said, except for many, perhaps it's not so much intellectually bankrupt as it is chia Feb 2020 #83

No they aren't. They are social democracies, which is an informed version Blue_true Feb 2020 #117

Somebody loved FDR -- 4 times worth wnylib Feb 2020 #21

Good one. Yeah, explaining it just digs the hole. Better not to say the S word. In America. To emmaverybo Feb 2020 #33

I'm just being realistic. It is ingrained wnylib Feb 2020 #55

Good analysis. Convincing. Thanks. Things to think about. Agree we can't just sweep in with sweeping emmaverybo Feb 2020 #64

An expansion of Medicaid is good for those wnylib Feb 2020 #65

If we are to have universal healthcare, however we get there, we must pay higher taxes and that emmaverybo Feb 2020 #94

Excellent. Agree 100% Joinfortmill Feb 2020 #89

Michael Moore, take your tired ass shit somewhere else. nt oasis Feb 2020 #22

Wish he would go away redstateblues Feb 2020 #24

Moore Knows How to Reach People McKim Feb 2020 #62

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock betsuni Feb 2020 #63

Nope RandySF Feb 2020 #25

Yes he was. In fact there were actual communist at that time in America. rusty quoin Feb 2020 #39

Michael Moore says a lot of sh** stopdiggin Feb 2020 #27

A strong safety net is not socialism; it's the regulation needed to make capitalism livable. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #28

I know it is early in the year but DURHAM D Feb 2020 #30

Killin' me, you are. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #34

LOL! murielm99 Feb 2020 #68

Totally missing the point which is about policies and values versus terminology. DanTex Feb 2020 #31

FDR tradition? Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #43

No, I mean the New Deal. DanTex Feb 2020 #47

The new deal? Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #61

FDR didn't deny socialism. trackfan Feb 2020 #37

I don't understand why MSNBC keeps bringing him on Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #38

Agreed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #42

Moore is never right on anything Gothmog Feb 2020 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2020 #51

FDR's policies were Democratic socialist booley Feb 2020 #52

No they were not, as I have already posted, you either do not understand social democracy as opposed Celerity Feb 2020 #57

MM-""I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock Cha Feb 2020 #53

Social Democrat is a better description Bradical79 Feb 2020 #58

Yes. I really wish Sanders et al would reclaim social democracy rather than democratic Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #73

Hmm. FDR was a member of the social aristocracy. PatrickforO Feb 2020 #59

Michael Moore also said that Ralph Nader would be a good President. He's a moron. n/t. NNadir Feb 2020 #60

I want to watch but can't find a link. Anybody know? betsuni Feb 2020 #69

AND FDR was 1000% ESTABLISHMENT leadership. Amimnoch Feb 2020 #71

Michael Moore is becoming less relevant as time passes... like the right wing... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #72

Michael Moore is an idiot...blinded by ? I personally think much of his spiel is self interest. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #75

I remember FDR True Blue American Feb 2020 #78

My family had a picture of Roosevelt...first my Grandma...and then my Mom. I still have it...and Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #81

As a small child I listened True Blue American Feb 2020 #82

LOL! Absolutely desperate, foolish attemp to rebrand FDR to try to help Bernie. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #84

I am both a capitalist and a democratic socialist Cicada Feb 2020 #85

Even though he dresses like a slob, Michael Moore is part of the 1%. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #86

I doubt that, but Joinfortmill Feb 2020 #88

A lot of people say a lot of things about FDR. MineralMan Feb 2020 #93

Aren't your parents in their nineties? Blue_true Feb 2020 #121

Yes. I said few people. MineralMan Feb 2020 #122

Sorry, I missed the qualifier. Have your parents talked about FDR and Truman much? nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #123

Not a lot. Those times were MineralMan Feb 2020 #128

Michael Moore lies like a Trump. Zolorp Feb 2020 #97

Father-in-Law is reading a 3 book series on . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #101

Socialist Norman Thomas knew better DBoon Feb 2020 #103

Listen to FDR explain why Michael Moore is wrong Gothmog Feb 2020 #105

Alrighty, then. ehrnst Feb 2020 #107

Michael Moore is Wrong once again. Cha Feb 2020 #131

Has moore ever been right on anything? Gothmog Feb 2020 #132

What about all his socialist programs WPA, NRA, doc03 Feb 2020 #109

Infrastructure spending...Keynesian stimulation of the economy. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #118

Government-funded projects aren't "socialism" just because The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #119

The revisionism around what FDR was and did makes me lose Blue_true Feb 2020 #113

I love Mike... myohmy2 Feb 2020 #124

I'm positive he wasn't. im equally positive there wouldn't be DS without him. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #126

Michael Moore is an idiot. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #130

No doubt. Cha Feb 2020 #134

an outright lie as detailed in article, the second, saying Sanders is FDR reincarnate is laughable. Gothmog Feb 2020 #135

This picture.... I ... Gothmog Feb 2020 #136